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March 18, 2016, 08:01:37 AM
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Begini, Michaelangelo menggunakan referensi buku Early Writings tulisan Ellen White:
Menurut Michaelangelo, "In a few months" berarti Tuhan akan datang dalam beberapa bulan. Artinya, itu masih di zaman Ellen White.
oh begitu...  :D

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Jika tafsiran Michaelangelo salah, silahkan Anda tunjukkan bagaimana makna "In a few months" yang dimaksud oleh Ellen White. Saya berasumsi bahwa sebagai 7th Day Adventist, Anda lebih paham daripada kami yang bukan 7th day Adventist.

terima kasih, sebagai Adventist ya saya lebih paham makna kutipan itu daripada bro michaelangelo...
berikut saya kutip kembali tulisan itu..

"My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." Early Writings,

mari kita perhatikan sekali lagi kata kata yang kutandai merah itu.
and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.

bahasa indonesianya adalah begini:
apa yang sudah kita pelajari bertahun tahun, haruslah di pelajari dalam beberapa bulan.

itulah arti dari kata "berbulan bulan itu" 


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March 18, 2016, 08:27:47 AM
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o itu mah udah pasti

kita tinggal tunggu dia menunjukkan sumber dari paragraf yang sy copas diatas
itu kalaw dia berkenan
sy telah berusaha mencarinya ngga ketemu
atau kalau itu adalah hasil tulisannya sendiri ya gpp jg, saya menghargainya, tp sy ngga setuju

sementara waktu
diskusi kita bisa mengkerucut ke pertanyaan om Kahill diatas
Baiklah.
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ok Om Yopi/Malaikat Suci? :)
Siapa dia? Kagak kenal :char12:
March 18, 2016, 08:30:54 AM
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oh begitu...  :D

terima kasih, sebagai Adventist ya saya lebih paham makna kutipan itu daripada bro michaelangelo...
berikut saya kutip kembali tulisan itu..

"My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." Early Writings,

mari kita perhatikan sekali lagi kata kata yang kutandai merah itu.
and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.

bahasa indonesianya adalah begini:
apa yang sudah kita pelajari bertahun tahun, haruslah di pelajari dalam beberapa bulan.

itulah arti dari kata "berbulan bulan itu" 

salam
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TYM
Saya kasih titik titik bukan karena hanya kalimat itu, panjang lho....

Then Jesus’ silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire. He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried, “Awake! awake! awake! you that sleep in the dust, and arise.” Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, “Alleluia!” as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns, and with His own right hand placed them on our heads. He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory. Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet. Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the city. Jesus raised His mighty, glorious arm, laid hold of the pearly gate, swung it back on its glittering hinges, and said to us, “You have washed your robes in My blood, stood stiffly for My truth, enter in.” We all marched in and felt that we had a perfect right in the city. Get ready, get ready, get ready. You must have a greater preparation than you now have, for the day of the Lord comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate and to destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Sacrifice all to God. Lay all upon His altar - self, property, and all, a living sacrifice. It will take all to enter glory. Lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven, where no thief can approach or rust corrupt. You must be partakers of Christ’s sufferings here if you would be partakers with Him of His glory hereafter. But now time is almost finished, and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.

Nah, silahkan anda tafsirkan....


itu yang pertama,

Yang kedua anda belum jelaskan makna "Old Jerusalem" anda terjemahkan sebagai "ranting advent"??

Nanti saya postkan tersendiri
March 18, 2016, 08:33:17 AM
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Yang ini:Udah jelas?
dimana dalam tulisanku kukatakan "Old Jerusalem" adalah cabang dari adventis si ellen???  :rolleye0014: :char12:
Yang ini:
jadi bro michaelangelo ada satu ajaran yang sering diperdebatkan dalam teologia dan berkembang bahwa di bumi inilah Bait Suci itu dan Tuhan akan mendirikan kerajaan-Nya di bumi ini, dan kerajaan-Nya itu akan didirikan di Palestina/Israel. ajaran Inilah yang ditentang oleh ellen white di dalam buku yang kamu kutip itu.

terbukti dikemudian hari ada sekelompok gerakan sempalan dari Gereja Advent yang bernama Ranting Daud yang mengajarkan pengikut pengikutnya bahwa Jesus akan meletakkan kerajaan Daud di Palestina. boleh kamu baca disini https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persekutuan_Advent_Hari_Ketujuh_Davidian

itulah tujuan dari Amaran dari ny. White dalam buku early writings tersebut: berikut saya kutip kembali tulisan beliau.
"'Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem, and think that they have work to do there before the Lord comes... I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing... I also saw that Old Jerusalem never would be built up...' Early Writings p. 75

tapi anehnya, ajaran yang dulu sudah diamarkan oleh ny. White tersebut, malah sekarang menjadi berkembang, bahwa akan didirikan bait suci kembali, dan kerajaan milenium Allah akan berdiri di bumi ini.
Udah jelas?
Anda belum menjelaskan bagaimana tafsiran anda "Old Jerusalem" menjadi "ranting advent"????
March 18, 2016, 08:51:25 AM
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Nanti kita bahas "penglihatan" si Ellen bahwa Henokh berada di planet dengan 4 bulan (???) ;D ;D ;D
March 18, 2016, 09:02:36 AM
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Saya kasih titik titik bukan karena hanya kalimat itu, panjang lho....

Then Jesus’ silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire. He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried, “Awake! awake! awake! you that sleep in the dust, and arise.” Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, “Alleluia!” as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns, and with His own right hand placed them on our heads. He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory. Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet. Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the city. Jesus raised His mighty, glorious arm, laid hold of the pearly gate, swung it back on its glittering hinges, and said to us, “You have washed your robes in My blood, stood stiffly for My truth, enter in.” We all marched in and felt that we had a perfect right in the city. Get ready, get ready, get ready. You must have a greater preparation than you now have, for the day of the Lord comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate and to destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Sacrifice all to God. Lay all upon His altar - self, property, and all, a living sacrifice. It will take all to enter glory. Lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven, where no thief can approach or rust corrupt. You must be partakers of Christ’s sufferings here if you would be partakers with Him of His glory hereafter. But now time is almost finished, and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.

Nah, silahkan anda tafsirkan....


itu yang pertama,

Yang kedua anda belum jelaskan makna "Old Jerusalem" anda terjemahkan sebagai "ranting advent"??

Nanti saya postkan tersendiri

yang mau bro persoalkan itu apa ya??

kutipan yang kamu tulis itu adalah "Penglihatan" Ellen White.. apakah ada yang salah, ada yang membuatmu keberatan??


dengan kutipan keseluruhan sekarang sudah jelas makna dari kata "berbulan bulan" itu bukanlah ramalan kedatangan Jesus. tapi artinya adalah: "Harus Lebih cepat belajar dari yang sebelumnya"



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March 18, 2016, 09:11:53 AM
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yang mau bro persoalkan itu apa ya??

kutipan yang kamu tulis itu adalah "Penglihatan" Ellen White.. apakah ada yang salah, ada yang membuatmu keberatan??


dengan kutipan keseluruhan sekarang sudah jelas makna dari kata "berbulan bulan" itu bukanlah ramalan kedatangan Jesus. tapi artinya adalah: "Harus Lebih cepat belajar dari yang sebelumnya"
???

OMG!

Lha itu si Ellen ngakunya Tuhan Yesus datang, kuburan terbuka, para Kudus diangkat bersama dengan dia....

Baca.... Baca... semuanya, coba anda terjemahkan dulu, terus anda tafsirkan sesuka hati, dan mari kita bahas!
March 18, 2016, 09:16:55 AM
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Jesus and all the heavenly host looked with sympathy and love upon those who had with sweet expectation longed to see Him whom their souls loved. Angels were hovering around them, to sustain them in the hour of their trial. Those who had neglected to receive the heavenly message were left in darkness, and God’s anger was kindled against them, because they would not receive the light which He had sent them from heaven. Those faithful, disappointed ones, who could not understand why their Lord did not come, were not left in darkness. Again they were led to their Bibles to search the prophetic periods. The hand of the Lord was removed from the figures, and the mistake was explained. They saw that the prophetic periods reached to 1844, and that the same evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844. Light from the Word of God shone upon their position, and they discovered a tarrying time - ”Though it [the vision] tarry, wait for it.” In their love for Christ’s immediate coming, they had overlooked the tarrying of the vision, which was calculated to manifest the true waiting ones. Again they had a point of time. Yet I saw that many of them could not rise above their severe disappointment to possess that degree of zeal and energy which had marked their faith in 1843.

Nanti kita lanjut ke sini, masih buku yang sama, kata si Ellen, dia bingung tuch kenapa tahun 1843 dan 1844 kok beda visionnya ;D ;D ;D
March 18, 2016, 09:21:10 AM
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...

"My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." Early Writings, p. 75

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BTW, menurut tafsir Anda, siapakah "we" dan siapakah "they" dalam kalimat tersebut?
IMO, "we" seharusnya "adventist" sedangkan "they" mungkin mengacu kepada "non adventist".
March 18, 2016, 02:22:36 PM
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BTW, menurut tafsir Anda, siapakah "we" dan siapakah "they" dalam kalimat tersebut?
IMO, "we" seharusnya "adventist" sedangkan "they" mungkin mengacu kepada "non adventist".

syalom bro shadowing..
kalau bro berminat ikut membahas topik ini coba baca baca kembali diskusi ini dari awal. karena saya sudah jawab mengenai itu sebelumnya.

"we" dalam tulisan Ellen White tersebut, menunjuk kepada umat umat Tuhan yang sudah lama memegang doktrin Advent dan

"they" dalam kalimat itu menunjuk kepada orang orang yang baru menerima pekabaran Advent.

jadi arti dari kutipan ini adalah:
saya kutip sekali lagi:

... and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." Early Writings, p. 75

apa yang sudah kita  pelajari bertahun tahun, mereka (orang percaya baru yang menerima pekabaran Advent), harus pelajari dalam beberapa bulan.


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« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 02:30:51 PM by Simatupang@123 »
" Lamanya satu ajaran dianut tidak akan membuat kesalahan menjadi kebenaran, sebab kebenaran mampu berdiri sendiri. Doktrin yang benar akan tetap teguh oleh penyelidikan Alkitab yang seksama. "
 


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