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February 23, 2010, 03:37:06 PM
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II Maccabees 12:43-46: "And making a gathering, he [Judas] sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.


perlu merogoh kocek 5-10$

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Masses for the dead have infinite value, in the objective order, for the souls of the departed. They also have great subjective value for those who survive in that it is comforting to know that Masses are being offered for one's departed loved ones. So, while the bereaved can arrange such Masses, others, even non-Catholics, can arrange with a priest to have such Masses said, too, which would be a great gift of comfort to survivors (stole fees for such Masses are usually $5 to $10 dollars, depending on the diocese). Such Masses don't necessarily have to be offered in the diocese(s) of the deceased or bereaved; any priest, anywhere in the world, can be asked to offer a Mass for someone (note to non-Catholics: traditional Catholics would be most comforted, or only comforted, by a traditional Mass being offered, depending on how they view the Novus Ordo Mass. So be safe and arrange such things with a traditional priest.).

http://www.fisheaters.com/prayingforthedead.html

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-paragraphs 15 and 16
of Pope Leo XIII's
"Sapientiae Christianae" (1890)

http://babylon-the-great.xanga.com/674810475/item/

tapi aku belum menemukan sumber aselinya

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February 23, 2010, 03:41:18 PM
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ini adalah salah satu contoh surat indulgensi disebuah museum, lengkap dg seal/meterai



http://www.christianheritagemuseum.com/reformation.shtml

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February 23, 2010, 05:19:20 PM
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ini adalah salah satu contoh surat indulgensi disebuah museum, lengkap dg seal/meterai

Ada yang punya data terjemahan isi dari surat tersebut? karena bro korektor menyatakan bahwa itu hanyalah surat permintaan sumbangan Gereja, dengan demikian untuk menentukan kebenarannya kita harus mencari data terjemahan isi surat tersebut... saya sendiri masih dalam tahapan mencari.

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Lagipula indulgensi dalam bentuk surat juga tidak ada. Si Luther saja yg mengada-ada.

Jika demikian, ternyata ada pelanggaran dalam tubuh Katolik di masa lampau, bukankah suatu pelanggaran terhadap magisterium Katolik bila jemaatnya melakukan apologetika membela Gerejanya tanpa adanya ajaran sah dari magisterium Katolik, oleh karena itu supaya tidak terjadi label demikian pada bro korektor, silahkan bro korektor memberikan kutipan resmi dari magisterium Katolik yang menyatakan bahwa Indulgensi tidak pernah dijadikan surat ataupun dijual dengan harga 5-10$ atau bahwa Martin Luther itu mengada-ada... dipersilahkan...

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February 23, 2010, 05:39:05 PM
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Bisa dibaca kok. Tapi buram. Suruh mereka aja yg cari teks Latinnya. Banyak kamus Latin online. Asal teksnya ada aja.
February 23, 2010, 05:54:53 PM
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Bisa dibaca kok. Tapi buram. Suruh mereka aja yg cari teks Latinnya. Banyak kamus Latin online. Asal teksnya ada aja.

Apakah situs resmi Katolik tidak menyediakannya? Anda kan Katolik, jadi saya kira lebih cepat blusukan ke dalam situs resmi maupun perpustakaannya. Kalau tidak tersedia, mengapa ya kira-kira? bukankah itu seharusnya dokumen penting Gereja?

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February 23, 2010, 06:07:01 PM
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Bisa dibaca kok. Tapi buram. Suruh mereka aja yg cari teks Latinnya. Banyak kamus Latin online. Asal teksnya ada aja.

Apakah situs resmi Katolik tidak menyediakannya? Anda kan Katolik, jadi saya kira lebih cepat blusukan ke dalam situs resmi maupun perpustakaannya. Kalau tidak tersedia, mengapa ya kira-kira? bukankah itu seharusnya dokumen penting Gereja?

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Tau tuh. Bodo amat deh.
February 23, 2010, 06:23:05 PM
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Tau tuh. Bodo amat deh.

Ya itu tugas Anda sebagai umat Katolik yang baik, meluruskan issue tentang Gereja Katolik melalui ajaran resmi Gereja Katolik kan? Atau memang tidak ada penjelasan resmi dari Gereja Katolik? atau Anda yang sudah menyerah?

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February 23, 2010, 06:54:12 PM
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Isaias 5,21 "ouai oi sunetoi en eautoiV kai enwpion eautwn episthmoneV"

"I like your CHRIST, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your CHRIST." Mahatma Gandhi
February 24, 2010, 11:18:04 AM
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Pertobatan sejati berawal dari perubahan pola pikir tentang cara seseorang memandang Tuhan (Metanoia).


February 24, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
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huahaha saya ga bisa, musti om Daniel FS, atau Bro Qbiz (SarapanPagi), nanti ya coba saya PM dia mau terjemahin ga, mudah2an orangnya lagi berbaik hati hihihi :D
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Isaias 5,21 "ouai oi sunetoi en eautoiV kai enwpion eautwn episthmoneV"

"I like your CHRIST, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your CHRIST." Mahatma Gandhi
 


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