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February 04, 2013, 03:36:52 PM
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Doa Yesus kepada Bapa,

Joh 17:21  supaya mereka semua menjadi satu, sama seperti Engkau, ya Bapa, di dalam Aku dan Aku di dalam Engkau, agar mereka juga di dalam Kita, supaya dunia percaya, bahwa Engkaulah yang telah mengutus Aku.
Joh 17:22  Dan Aku telah memberikan kepada mereka kemuliaan, yang Engkau berikan kepada-Ku, supaya mereka menjadi satu, sama seperti Kita adalah satu:
Joh 17:23  Aku di dalam mereka dan Engkau di dalam Aku supaya mereka sempurna menjadi satu, agar dunia tahu, bahwa Engkau yang telah mengutus Aku dan bahwa Engkau mengasihi mereka, sama seperti Engkau mengasihi Aku.


Biarlah yang Barat utuh dulu, baru nanti Barat dan Timur bisa bersatu.
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Nantikanlah hari kematianmu setiap pagi... Itulah jembatan yang membawamu kepada Kristus.


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February 04, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
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Saudara-saudar, ada berita yang sangat menggembirakan, sedikit demi sedikit REFORMED AKAN BERSATU DENGAN KATOLIK!!!!!! Akhirnya kaum Reformed sadar juga dan terbuka mata batinnya.

berikut berita lengkapnya : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/catholic-protestant-baptism-recognize_n_2575915.html
U.S. Roman Catholic Church And Protestant Denominations Agree To Recognize Each Other's Baptisms
In a monumental occasion for ecumenical relations, the U.S. Roman Catholic church and a group of Protestant denominations plan to sign a document on Tuesday evening to formally agree to recognize each other's baptisms.

Catholic leaders will join representatives from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), Christian Reformed Church in North America, Reformed Church in America and United Church of Christ at the ceremony in Austin, Texas, to sign the agreement, which is called the "Common Agreement on Mutual Recognition of Baptism." The event coincides with the national meeting of Christian Churches Together in the U.S.A.

Currently, the Protestant churches recognize Roman Catholic baptisms, but the Catholic church does not always recognize theirs. The mutual agreement on baptisms, a key sacrament in the churches, has been discussed between denominational leadership for seven years and hinges in part on invoking trinity of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" during the baptism.

In a report in the Austin American-Statesman, Bishop Joe Vasquez of the Diocese Austin told the newspaper that the effort "is part of our response to Jesus' prayer that 'we all be one.'"

The Roman Catholic church as a whole has generally recognized the baptisms of most mainstream Christian denominations since the Second Vatican Council, a series of historic church meetings from 1962 to 1965, but the formal baptism agreement is the first of its kind for the U.S. church.

According to a prior statement from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which was released in 2010 when bishops were deliberating the agreement, the understanding between the churches "affirms that both Catholic and Reformed Christians hold that baptism is the sacramental bond of unity for the Body of Christ, which is to be performed only once, by an authorized minister, with flowing water, using the Scriptural Trinitarian formula of 'Father, Son and Holy Spirit.' The agreement encourages all local Christian communities to keep baptismal records."

The Austin newspaper reported that Tuesday's agreement says that “for our baptisms to be mutually recognized, water and the scriptural Trinitarian formula 'Father, Son, and Holy Spirit' (Matthew 28: 19-20) must be used in the baptismal rite."

The earlier bishops' statement explained the origins of the agreement:

    In 2002, concerns over certain practices (such as baptism by sprinkling) and spoken formulas (such as baptism in the name of the Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier) used by some Christians led the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity to urge national bishops’ conferences to study their mutual understanding of baptism with other Christians. These questions were examined and resolved by Round Seven of the Reformed-Roman Catholic Dialogue-USA, which produced the Common Agreement, as well as a study entitled “These Living Waters.”

The agreement was first approved in 2008 by the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). American Catholic leaders voted on the it in 2010 and the agreement was later approved by the governing bodies of the Christian Reformed Church in North America, Reformed Church in America and United Church of Christ.

REFORMED AMERIKI SEDIKIT DEMI SEDIKIT MELANGKAH BERSATU DENGAN KATOLIK!!!!
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February 04, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
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Saudariku Dita, ini bukan berita menggembirakan, Ini adalah tanda2 akhir jaman dimana akan terjadi satu agama tunggal. Kita berjalan menuju kesana. Oleh sebab itu jangan kita memfokuskan kepercayaan kita pada agama yang akan membawa kita ke neraka.

Kita harus jadi pengikut Kristus bukan pengikut agama.
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Saudaraku Jack, berita ini adalah sudah seharusnya kita syukuri saudaraku, sebab sangat sesuai dengan doa Putera ALLAH dalam Injil Yuhana Bab 17, agar semua bersatu. Syukur kepada ALLAH dimana PCUSA dan RCA telah TERBUKA MATA BATIN nya sehingga memulai langkah yang sangat baik ini. Daku tahu kalau PCUSA dan RCA ini adalah denom yang sangat keras dan fundamentals tetapi PADA AKHIRNYA MEREKA MULAI LULUH DAN TAKLUK KEPADA YANG MULIA PAUS. Perjalanan ini barulah permulaann namun sedikit demi sedikit, akan tersu mendekat dan mendekat kepada KESATUAN, marilah saudaraku Jack juga berdoa AGAR KESATUAN INI SEGERA TERLAKSANA SECARA SEMPURNA, dimana semua umat yang terpencar dalam 35.000 denominasi mengikuti pimpinan satu-satunya pemimpin yang ditunjuk untuk memimpn oleh Putera ALLAH, tidak lain tidak bukan Yang Mulia Paus. Hayuk saudaraku Jack doakan KESATUAN INI. Sungguh bak sekali, semoga kedepanya semakin banyak dan semakin banyak kesatuan yang terjalin sehingga semua berada dibawah satu komando, hingga seluruh dunia berada di bawah satu pemerintahan tunggal. Sangat indahnya kesatuan ini, demikianlah, syalom
February 04, 2013, 05:51:24 PM
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Biarlah yang Barat utuh dulu, baru nanti Barat dan Timur bisa bersatu.
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Saudaraku Rod, Gereja yang satu kudus katolik rasuli tidak bersikap seperti ini, namun upaya persatuan diupayakan baik dari barat mahupun timur.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/speeches/1965/documents/hf_p-vi_spe_19651207_common-declaration_en.html
JOINT CATHOLIC-ORTHODOX DECLARATION
OF HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
AND THE ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH ATHENAGORAS I

DECEMBER 7, 1965

 

Following is the text of the joint Catholic-Orthodox declaration, approved by Pope Paul VI and Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I of Constantinople, read simultaneously (Dec. 7) at a public meeting of the ecumenical council in Rome and at a special ceremony in Istanbul. The declaration concerns the Catholic-Orthodox exchange of excommunications in 1054.

1. Grateful to God, who mercifully favored them with a fraternal meeting at those holy places where the mystery of salvation was accomplished through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and where the Church was born through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I have not lost sight of the determination each then felt to omit nothing thereafter which charity might inspire and which could facilitate the development of the fraternal relations thus taken up between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church of Constantinople. They are persuaded that in acting this way, they are responding to the call of that divine grace which today is leading the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, as well as all Christians, to overcome their differences in order to be again "one" as the Lord Jesus asked of His Father for them.

2. Among the obstacles along the road of the development of these fraternal relations of confidence and esteem, there is the memory of the decisions, actions and painful incidents which in 1054 resulted in the sentence of excommunication leveled against the Patriarch Michael Cerularius and two other persons by the legate of the Roman See under the leadership of Cardinal Humbertus, legates who then became the object of a similar sentence pronounced by the patriarch and the Synod of Constantinople.

3. One cannot pretend that these events were not what they were during this very troubled period of history. Today, however, they have been judged more fairly and serenely. Thus it is important to recognize the excesses which accompanied them and later led to consequences which, insofar as we can judge, went much further than their authors had intended and foreseen. They had directed their censures against the persons concerned and not the Churches. These censures were not intended to break ecclesiastical communion between the Sees of Rome and Constantinople.

4. Since they are certain that they express the common desire for justice and the unanimous sentiment of charity which moves the faithful, and since they recall the command of the Lord: "If you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brethren has something against you, leave your gift before the altar and go first be reconciled to your brother" (Matt. 5:23-24), Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I with his synod, in common agreement, declare that:

A. They regret the offensive words, the reproaches without foundation, and the reprehensible gestures which, on both sides, have marked or accompanied the sad events of this period.

B. They likewise regret and remove both from memory and from the midst of the Church the sentences of excommunication which followed these events, the memory of which has influenced actions up to our day and has hindered closer relations in charity; and they commit these excommunications to oblivion.

C. Finally, they deplore the preceding and later vexing events which, under the influence of various factors—among which, lack of understanding and mutual trust—eventually led to the effective rupture of ecclesiastical communion.

5. Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I with his synod realize that this gesture of justice and mutual pardon is not sufficient to end both old and more recent differences between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

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February 04, 2013, 05:55:33 PM
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Saudara-saudari, Hubungan yang ERAT TERJALIN MESRA juga ditunjukkan bersama dengan KATOLIK INGGRIS atau anglican, sungguh indahnya kesatuan.

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/ministry/ecumenical/dialogues/catholic/declarations/index.cfm
The Joint Declarations of the Popes and the Archbishops of Canterbury

History

In 1960, an informal meeting took place when Archbishop Geoffrey Fisher was received in the Vatican by Pope John XXIII. This was the first meeting between a Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury since the Reformation. This was followed, after the Second Vatican Council, by a formal visit by Archbishop Michael Ramsey to Pope Paul VI in 1966. At the time of that visit, and on the five occasions when Popes and Archbishops of Canterbury have met formally since then, they have issued a Joint Declaration. The texts of these declarations are set out below. Archbishops and Popes have met more informally fairly frequently, such as the visit of Archbishop Rowan Williams to meet Pope John Paul II shortly after Archbishop Rowan was enthroned in 2003, and again when the Archbishop attended the Inauguration of the Ministry of Pope Benedict XVI in 2005.

Declarations

    Common Declaration - November 2007
    Common Declaration - December 1996
    Common Declaration - October 1989
    Common Declaration - May 1982
    Common Declaration - April 1977
    Common Declaration - March 1966

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February 04, 2013, 05:58:57 PM
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Saudara-saudari, hayo angkat tangan siapa yang dari METHODIST, ternyata upaya kesatuan juga telah menunjukkan snarnya, berikut infonya

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/meth-council-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20060723_text-association_en.html
THE WORLD METHODIST COUNCIL STATEMENT OF ASSOCIATION
WITH THE JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION

(accompanied by the Official Common Affirmation signed by Representatives of the
Catholic Church, the Lutheran World Federation and the World Methodist Council)

Seoul, South Korea, 23 July 2006

 

1. After official approval of the Lutheran World Federation and of the Roman Catholic Church, the “Official Common Statement by the Lutheran World Federation and the Roman Catholic Church” was signed by the two partners on 31 October 1999, thereby confirming the “Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification”. Articulating their common understanding of basic truths of the doctrine of justification by God’s grace through faith in Christ, this substantial agreement between Roman Catholics and Lutherans expresses a far reaching consensus in regard to the theological controversy which was a major cause of the split in Western churches in the sixteenth century.

2. We, the Churches joined together in the World Methodist Council, welcome this agreement with great joy. We declare that the common understanding of justification as it is outlined in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification (JDDJ 15-17) corresponds to Methodist doctrine. We are especially grateful for the trinitarian approach by which God’s work in salvation is explained in these paragraphs:

    15. In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. The foundation and presupposition of justification is the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ. Justification thus means that Christ himself is our righteousness, in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father. Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.

    16. All people are called by God to salvation in Christ. Through Christ alone are we justified, when we receive this salvation in faith. Faith is itself God’s gift through the Holy Spirit who works through word and sacrament in the community of believers and who, at the same time, leads believers into that renewal of life which God will bring to completion in eternal life.

    17. We also share the conviction that the message of justification directs us in a special way towards the heart of the New Testament witness to God’s saving action in Christ: it tells us that as sinners our new life is solely due to the forgiving and renewing mercy that God imparts as a gift and we receive in faith, and never can merit in any way.

3. We agree also with what Lutherans and Roman Catholics say together about some of the crucial issues in the doctrine of justification which were disputed between them since the time of Reformation (cf. JDDJ 19, 22, 25, 28, 31, 34, 37). Moreover, we accept the explanations which Lutherans and Catholics respectively give in paragraphs 20-21, 23-24, 26-27, 29-30, 32-33, 35-36, and 38-39 concerning their respective positions on these issues, and we do not consider these diverse emphases sufficient cause for division between either party and Methodists.

4. The Methodist Movement has always understood itself as deeply indebted to the biblical teaching on justification as it was understood by Luther and the other reformers and then again by the Wesleys. But it has also always embraced elements of the doctrine of justification which belong to the Catholic tradition of the early church both East and West. This gave its own doctrine of justification its distinctive profile. Set in relation to “the remaining differences of language, theological elaboration, and emphasis” which are not reckoned to impair the “consensus in basic truths of the doctrine of justification” between Lutherans and Catholics (JDDJ 40), the Methodist teaching may be described thus:


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February 04, 2013, 06:03:49 PM
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Saudara-saudari, bahkan dari PROTESTAN EVANGELICAL atau injili pun telah memulai langkah yang sangat indah ini,

http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9405/articles/mission.html
Evangelicals & Catholics Together:
The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium
Copyright (c) 1994 First Things 43 (May 1994): 15-22.

    The following statement is the product of consultation, beginning in September 1992, between Evangelical Protestant and Roman Catholic Christians. Appended to the text is a list of participants in the consultation and of others who have given their support to this declaration.

Introduction
We are Evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics who have been led through prayer, study, and discussion to common convictions about Christian faith and mission. This statement cannot speak officially for our communities. It does intend to speak responsibly from our communities and to our communities. In this statement we address what we have discovered both about our unity and about our differences. We are aware that our experience reflects the distinctive circumstances and opportunities of Evangelicals and Catholics living together in North America. At the same time, we believe that what we have discovered and resolved is pertinent to the relationship between Evangelicals and Catholics in other parts of the world. We therefore commend this statement to their prayerful consideration.

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February 04, 2013, 06:07:34 PM
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Saudara-saudari, syukurlah semakn banyak yang telah menunjukkan skap yang terpuji. Mereka akhirnya menyadari posisi Yang Mulia Paus sebagai penerus St Petrus Rasul. Dmulai dari Orthodoks, anglikan, methodist, evangelical, bahkan hingga reformed yang terkenal keras sudah mulai terbuka mata batinya, syukurlah, hayuk yang lain jangan mahu ketinggalan, damai selalu, demkianlah, syalom
February 04, 2013, 07:05:42 PM
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Saudaraku Jack, berita ini adalah sudah seharusnya kita syukuri saudaraku, sebab sangat sesuai dengan doa Putera ALLAH dalam Injil Yuhana Bab 17, agar semua bersatu. Syukur kepada ALLAH dimana PCUSA dan RCA telah TERBUKA MATA BATIN nya sehingga memulai langkah yang sangat baik ini. Daku tahu kalau PCUSA dan RCA ini adalah denom yang sangat keras dan fundamentals tetapi PADA AKHIRNYA MEREKA MULAI LULUH DAN TAKLUK KEPADA YANG MULIA PAUS. Perjalanan ini barulah permulaann namun sedikit demi sedikit, akan tersu mendekat dan mendekat kepada KESATUAN, marilah saudaraku Jack juga berdoa AGAR KESATUAN INI SEGERA TERLAKSANA SECARA SEMPURNA, dimana semua umat yang terpencar dalam 35.000 denominasi mengikuti pimpinan satu-satunya pemimpin yang ditunjuk untuk memimpn oleh Putera ALLAH, tidak lain tidak bukan Yang Mulia Paus. Hayuk saudaraku Jack doakan KESATUAN INI. Sungguh bak sekali, semoga kedepanya semakin banyak dan semakin banyak kesatuan yang terjalin sehingga semua berada dibawah satu komando, hingga seluruh dunia berada di bawah satu pemerintahan tunggal. Sangat indahnya kesatuan ini, demikianlah, syalom

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February 04, 2013, 07:36:17 PM
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Saudara-saudar, ada berita yang sangat menggembirakan, sedikit demi sedikit REFORMED AKAN BERSATU DENGAN KATOLIK!!!!!! Akhirnya kaum Reformed sadar juga dan terbuka mata batinnya.

berikut berita lengkapnya : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/catholic-protestant-baptism-recognize_n_2575915.html
U.S. Roman Catholic Church And Protestant Denominations Agree To Recognize Each Other's Baptisms
In a monumental occasion for ecumenical relations, the U.S. Roman Catholic church and a group of Protestant denominations plan to sign a document on Tuesday evening to formally agree to recognize each other's baptisms.

Catholic leaders will join representatives from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), Christian Reformed Church in North America, Reformed Church in America and United Church of Christ at the ceremony in Austin, Texas, to sign the agreement, which is called the "Common Agreement on Mutual Recognition of Baptism." The event coincides with the national meeting of Christian Churches Together in the U.S.A.

Currently, the Protestant churches recognize Roman Catholic baptisms, but the Catholic church does not always recognize theirs. The mutual agreement on baptisms, a key sacrament in the churches, has been discussed between denominational leadership for seven years and hinges in part on invoking trinity of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" during the baptism.

In a report in the Austin American-Statesman, Bishop Joe Vasquez of the Diocese Austin told the newspaper that the effort "is part of our response to Jesus' prayer that 'we all be one.'"

The Roman Catholic church as a whole has generally recognized the baptisms of most mainstream Christian denominations since the Second Vatican Council, a series of historic church meetings from 1962 to 1965, but the formal baptism agreement is the first of its kind for the U.S. church.

According to a prior statement from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which was released in 2010 when bishops were deliberating the agreement, the understanding between the churches "affirms that both Catholic and Reformed Christians hold that baptism is the sacramental bond of unity for the Body of Christ, which is to be performed only once, by an authorized minister, with flowing water, using the Scriptural Trinitarian formula of 'Father, Son and Holy Spirit.' The agreement encourages all local Christian communities to keep baptismal records."

The Austin newspaper reported that Tuesday's agreement says that “for our baptisms to be mutually recognized, water and the scriptural Trinitarian formula 'Father, Son, and Holy Spirit' (Matthew 28: 19-20) must be used in the baptismal rite."

The earlier bishops' statement explained the origins of the agreement:

    In 2002, concerns over certain practices (such as baptism by sprinkling) and spoken formulas (such as baptism in the name of the Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier) used by some Christians led the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity to urge national bishops’ conferences to study their mutual understanding of baptism with other Christians. These questions were examined and resolved by Round Seven of the Reformed-Roman Catholic Dialogue-USA, which produced the Common Agreement, as well as a study entitled “These Living Waters.”

The agreement was first approved in 2008 by the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). American Catholic leaders voted on the it in 2010 and the agreement was later approved by the governing bodies of the Christian Reformed Church in North America, Reformed Church in America and United Church of Christ.

REFORMED AMERIKI SEDIKIT DEMI SEDIKIT MELANGKAH BERSATU DENGAN KATOLIK!!!!
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Setuju, tentunya dalam hal ini Pihak Katolik pun sudah melakukan pembenahan internal sehingga diharapkan kedepan Gereja semakin bijak

Puji Tuhan, saatnya Gereja bersatu dan kembali mewarnai Dunia dengan Kasih dan Saksi nyata
 


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