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December 20, 2011, 10:43:31 AM
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1968 "During world war 1, God's people expected it to lead directly into Armageddon, but Jehovah prevented such a climax at that time. We didn't succumb to such an expectation during world war II. (Kingdom Ministry, Jan. 1968, p. 5)

1968 "But what about today? Today we have the evidence required, all of it. And it is overwhelming! All the many, many parts of the great sign of the last days are here, together with verifying Bible chronology." (Awake!, Oct. 8, 1968, p. 23)

1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end" to the world, even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that He was using and guiding them.'' (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968)

1969 "in view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous....Many young brothers and sisters were offered scholarship or employment that promised fine pay. However, they turned them down and put spiritual interests first." (Kingdom Ministry, June 1969, p. 3)

1969 "There is only a short time left before Jehovah will destroy this wicked system of things." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969)

1969 More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind's life on earth would end in the mid-seventies. Thus the seventh millennium from mans creation by Jehovah god would begin within less than ten years. Apart from the global change that present-day world condition indicate is fast getting near, the arrival of the seventh millennium of mans existence on earth suggests a gladsome change for war-stricken humankind. ...In order for the Lord Jesus Christ to be Lord even of the Sabbath day, his thousand-year reign would have to be the seventh in a series of thousand-year periods or millenniums. (Matt 12:8, AV) Thus it would be a sabbatic reign. Since early in the existence of mankind Satan the Devil has been on the loose, making the human family to toil in hard bondage, causing the earth to be filled with violence before the global flood of Noahs day and inducing the same old earth to be filled with even greater violence today. Soon now six millenniums of his wicked exploiting of mankind as his slaves will end, within the lifetime of the generation that has witnessed world events since the close of the gentile times in 1914 till now, according to the prophetic words of Jesus in Matthew 24:34. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind's laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath." (Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1969, p. 622, 623)

1971 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.; p. 216)

1972 "Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" (Watchtower April 1, 1972, p. 197)

1972 "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Watchtower] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." (Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, p. 644)

1972 "If it is his purpose to have this beautification of the whole earth accomplished by the end of his seventh creative day - Scripturally a period of seven thousand years, then the time is near at hand for the ruining of the earth by exploiters to be stopped by theocratic power and the blessed transformation to a delightsome garden to begin. Already, nearly six thousand years of man's existence from the close of the sixth creative day have run their dreary course. We must be approaching the threshold of that thousand-year-long reign of Jesus Christ, which must be accompanied by Paradise according to what Jesus promised the sympathetic evildoer on the stake there at Mount Calvary." (Paradise Restored to Mankind - By Theocracy, 1972; p. 18)

1974 "this remnant of anointed ones have identified themselves on the pages of history since 1914 C.E. Before this year members of this anointed remnant had been earnestly studying God's Word apart from Christendom. They put the Holy Bible ahead of man-made religious traditions. As early as 1876 they were publishing that the Gentile Times of 2,520 years would terminate in the year 1914. Events that have taken place from that year onward prove they were not wrong." (God's "Eternal Purpose" Now Triumphing For Man's Good; 1974; p. 178-179)

1974 "Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3)

1974 'It also tells us that this millennium must be preceded immediately by the most destructive war in all human history. We can now see the political rulers... being gathered... for that War of all wars....' (Watchtower, July 1, 1974, p 397)

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1975 "The year 1925 came and went. Jesus' anointed followers were still on earth as a class. The faithful men of old time - Abraham, David and others - had not been resurrected to become princes in the earth. (Ps. 45:16) So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: '1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed...Instead of it's being considered a 'probability,' they read into it that it was a 'certainty.' and some prepared for their loved ones with expectations of their resurrection." (Yearbook, 1975, p. 146)

1975 In time, a direct contribution was made for the purpose of constructing a house in San Deigo for brother Rutherfords use.. Concerning this property the 1939 book Salvation stated: 'At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth Sarim. (Yearbook, 1975, p. 194)

1975 "Does this mean, then, that mankind has now reached 6,000 years into the 7,000 year period that God blessed and made sacred as his rest day? ... No, It does not mean that." (Watchtower 1/10/1975 p. 579)

1975 However, suddenly, there came an end to World War 1. It did not lead on, as Bible students expected, into world revolution and anarchy or the battle of Armageddon. And the sincere worshippers of Jehovah who were in the new covenant with him through his Mediator Jesus Christ, found themselves still in the flesh on the earth. (Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand; 1975; p. 98)

1975 Furthermore, the remnant of spiritual Israel had for decades, yes, since 1876, been looking forward to the ending of the Times of the Gentiles in the autumn of 1914. They were expecting God's Messianic Kingdom to be fully established in the heavens by then and also for the remnant of spiritual Israel to be glorified with Jesus Christ in the heavenly kingdom at that time. All understanding of the Holy Scriptures was slanted in that direction or adjusted to that idea. And when the year 1914 ended amid the flames of World War 1 and the remnant of spiritual Israel found themselves still here on the earth, then they were inclined to think that they would be glorified in the year 1918, three and a half years after the end of the Gentile Times. (Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand; 1975; p. 136)

1975 this marked the beginning of a period of education in the written Word of God from the standpoint that Bible prophecy is best understood after it has been fulfilled. So there needed to be a correction of our previous views, and the surviving remnant of spiritual Israel needed to be readjusted to the postwar realities and opportunities. ... This revised program of Bible education had a profound effect on the remnant. It oriented their work in the right direction. (Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand; 1975; p. 191)

1976 "It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bibles warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date." (Watchtower, July 15, 1976, p. 440)

1977 Truly the year 1926 deserved to be marked as the happy climax of the close of the 1,335 days. Those of Daniel's "people" who kept in expectation and reached the end of the 1,335 days were launched off into a happiness that has not diminished, but that, despite mounting persecution and World War II (1939-1945) and subsequent world troubles, has persisted and increased. (Our Incoming World Government-God's Kingdom, p146-147, 1977)

1979 Because of this hope, the "faithful and discreet slave" has alerted all of God's people to the sign of the times indicating the nearness of God's Kingdom rule. In this regard, however, it must be observed that this "faithful and discreet slave" was never inspired, never perfect. Those writings by certain members of the "slave" class that came to form the Christian part of God's Word were inspired and infallible, but that is not true of other writings since. Things published were not perfect in the days of Charles Taze Russell, first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society; nor were they perfect in the days of J.F. Rutherford, the succeeding president. The increasing light on God's Word as well as the facts of history have repeatedly required that adjustments of one kind or another be made down to the very present time. But let us never forget that the motives of this "slave" were always pure, unselfish; at all times it has been well-meaning. (The Watchtower; March 1, 1979; p. 24)

1979 Partly because of eagerness to be alive when Jesus Christ reveals himself in glory, there have been believers throughout the centuries who began looking for a particular period or a year for the windup of the ungodly system of things. this has happened right down to these "last days." Since certain expectations were not realized, many stumbled and returned to the ways of the world. In fulfillment of Peter's words, even today we hear the voice of ridiculers. (2 Peter 3:3,4) (Choosing The Best Way Of Life; 1979; p. 169)

1980 "With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of mans existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated....In saying anyone, the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date. (Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 17-18)

1980 If the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century (the year 2000), which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation. However, the fact that their number is dwindling is one more indication that "the conclusion of the system of things" is moving fast toward its end. (The Watchtower, Oct. 15, 1980, p. 31)

1982 "The Bible not only foretold these things, but indicated that they would occur on a worldwide scale. Also, the Bible said that all these things would happen upon the generation that was alive in 1914. Yet what were prominent world leaders foretelling just before 1914? They were saying that conditions promising world peace were never more favorable. Yet the terrible troubles the Bible foretold began right on time, in 1914! In fact, world leaders now say that 1914 was a turning point in history. After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: 'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the end of this system] occur.' (Matthew 24:34, 14) Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon." (You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, p 154, 1982)

1984 Some of that "generation (of 1914)" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that! (The Watchtower, March 1, 1984 pp. 18-19)

1984 "These definitions embrace both those born around the time of a historic event and all those alive at that time. If Jesus used 'generation' in that sense and we apply it to 1914, then the babies of that generation are now 70 years old or older. And others alive in 1914 are in their 80's or 90's, a few even having reached a hundred. There are still many millions of that generation alive. Some of them 'will by no means pass away until all things occur." (Watchtower, 15 May, 1984, p. 5)




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December 20, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
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1986 As far back as 1876, Jehovah' s Witnesses realized that Bible prophecy marked the year 1914 C.E. as a time when major events would take place that would have far-reaching effects on human affairs. They gave the reason for this fact wide publicity. (True Peace And Security; 1986; p. 70)

1986 Prophetic information in the Bible about our day detail the following: ... (4) The survival of at least some of the generation that saw the beginning of "the conclusion of the system of things." (True Peace And Security; 1986; p. 70)

1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1989, p. 12 [bound volume changed "20th century" to "day"])

1989 In the early part of our 20th century prior to 1919, the Bible Students, as Jehovah's Witnesses were then known, had to be released from a form of spiritual captivity to the ideas and practices of false religion. Although having rejected such false teachings as the Trinity and immortal soul, they were still tainted by Babylonish practices. Many had developed a self-righteous attitude in character development. Some were exalting creatures, indulging in a personality cult that focused on Charles T. Russell, the first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Without any Biblical basis, they were observing birthdays and Christmas. the cross was still prominent in their thinking. Some even wore a cross-and-crown lapel emblem, while others sought the respectability accorded Christendom. (The Watchtower; May 1, 1989; p. 3)

1989 "Back in 1904, the book The New Creation called attention to this new organization that came into existence in the first century C.E. (Studies In The Scriptures, Series VI, Study V, entitled "The Organization of the New Creation") Owing to its view of what the end of the Gentile Times would mean, that book did not envision the remarkable organizational work that was due to take place after the crippling effects of the first world war of human history." (The Watchtower; Sept. 1, 1989; p. 12-13)

1989 "Some Roman Catholics have claimed that Jesus Christ's thousand Year Reign ended in 1799 when French armies captured Rome and deposed the pope as its ruler, so that he was deported as a prisoner to France, where he died." (Watchtower; Sept. 1, 1989; p. 12 [Jw's did too! See two 1927 Creation, quotes, p. 293 & p. 294. Another of the "pot calling the kettle black" quotes])

1989 The preservation of the remnant of spiritual new creation to the end of World War 1 in 1918 and their being kept alive in the flesh in the postwar year of 1919 came as a wondrous surprise. (The Watchtower; Sept. 1, 1989; p. 13)

1989 They have a modern Governing Body of older Christian men from various parts of the earth who give needed oversight to the worldwide activities of God's people. these men, like the apostles and older men in Jerusalem in the first century, are anointed members of the faithful and discreet slave class designated by Jesus to care for all of his Kingdom interests here upon earth. History has proved that they can be trusted to follow the direction of the holy spirit and that they do not rely on human wisdom in teaching the flock of God the ways of genuine peace. (The Watchtower; Dec. 15, 1989; p. 6)

1990 Adult Christians too can be disappointed, and this has in some cases led to spiritual disaster. Some set their hope on a date when they were sure Armageddon would come. When nothing happened on that day, they felt let down. (The Watchtower; 4/15/1990; p. 27)

1992 "Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. 'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED, 'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' - Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

1993 (The society's latest 'History' book - "Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom", 1993) [Note: At the end of this book there is a chronological section called 'Notable Dates'. The predictions for 1925 and 1975 don't even get a mention! Talk about rewriting history to gullible young converts!]

1993 "Further, the widely circulated booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die presented the view that in 1925, God's purposes regarding the restoring of the earth to Paradise and the resurrecting of the faithful ones of old would begin to be fulfilled. ... The year 1925 came to its conclusion, but the end was not yet! Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." (Watchtower; Nov. 1, 1993; p. 12)

1995 [Discussing the generation of Mt 24] "apparently refers to the peoples of earth (now) who see the sign of Christ presence but fail to mend their ways." (Watchtower November 1, 1995 p.12)

1995 Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. ... More recently, many Witnesses conjectured that events associated with the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign might start to take place in 1975. Their anticipation was based on the understanding that the seventh millennium of human history would begin then. (Awake, June 22, 1995 p. 9)

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." [After Nov. 8 1995 reference to '1914 generation' deleted] "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."


Nah, silahkan para penganut saksi yehuwa membatah tulisan berisi ramalan yang dibuat dan ditulis oleh organisasi mereka sendiri. Silahkan brurrrrrr .........

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December 20, 2011, 10:59:08 AM
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ramalan gak benar,

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December 20, 2011, 11:05:37 AM
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ramalan gak benar,

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Bro, kok singkat aja posting2 kamu akhir2 ini.
Jawab Yesus kepadanya: "Jikalau kata-Ku salah, tunjukkan kesalahannya tapi jikalau kata-Ku benar, mengapakah engkau menampar Aku?" (Injil riwayat Yuhana 18:23)
December 20, 2011, 11:28:25 AM
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sudah panjang  lebar beberapa halaman oleh bruce,

berdoalah untuk mereka, agar mereka kembali ke jalan yang benar,

karena kesempatan kita untuk memberitakan kabar bik untuk mereka,

salam.

December 20, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
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Trimakasih sdr natan.
Sdr.
Sbenarnya penjelasan diatas adalah bahan yang saya dapatkan dari seorang teman dan sahabat saya yang telah membantu saya selama bbrapa waktu ini dlm memahami alkitab.
Saya sendiri belum dan jika Allah mengkhendaki untuk menjadi bagian dari mereka.
Dlm perjalanan panjang saya untuk mencari Allah dan lepas dari masa lalu hidup saya yang kelam, saya bersyukur telah menemukan kebenaran berdasarkan hati nurani saya,
Sedikit saya jelaskan pengalaman hidup saya jika sdr tdk keberatan.
Saya dibesarkan dlm lingkungan gereja HKBP dan org tua saya juga pengurus gereja tsb.
Saya juga adalah salah seorang yg siap mati dlm konflik perebutan jabatan eforus. Dengan bermodalkan kantung plastik yang menutup muka saya dan senjata seadanya saya berpendapat kalaupun saya mati, saya bertarung utk KRISTUS dan masuk surga.
Walaupun pada akhirnya saya berada di pihak yang kalah dan akhirnya dipaksa utk menandatangani penyangkalan thd eforus yang lama, saya mendapat kesempatan utk melanjutkan pendidikan saya di sekolah theologia.
Selama saya kuliah, saya mendapati bahwa yang banyak dipelajari adalah filsafat dan tata cara peribadatan gereja. Hanya 2 sks yang membahas mengenai alkitab, dan selebihnya kita bebas berekspresi dlm memahami alkitab.
Saya masih ingat ketika kami membahas ttg doa, dan masing2 dari kami mempresentasikan di dpn tmn2, ada tmn saya yg berdoa,
Ya bapa yang disurga, terpujilah namamu, engkaulah yang maha mengetahui, maka jika engkau mengkhendaki,permintaan saya masih lah spt yang kemarin...amin.
yang lain jg berdoa,
Ya Bapa, permintaan saya adalah :
1.
2.
Saya berharap engkau mengabulkannya dan jika tidak untuk apa besok saya berdoa lagi padaMu, amin.
Tibalah akhirnya saya harus menyusun skripsi dgn judul 'cara menghadapi saksi Yehuwa' yg mau tdk mau mengharuskan saya utk bertemu dan berdiskusi dgn mereka. Saya pribadi tadinya adalah org yg antipati dan tidak mau utk meladeni mreka. Setelah mmbahas bbrapa topik alkitab dan ikut ke pertemuan2 mereka, saya merasakan bahwa ini berbeda sekali dgn keterangan yg saya dapatkan ttg mereka dari lingkungan saya.
Saya mulai menyadari bahwa inilah kebenaran alkitab yang benar2 diwujudkan dgn perbuatan oleh para ssy.
Selama belajar dgn slh seorang ssy tsb, saya mengamati dan merasakan bahwa mereka tidak membuat kesimpulan utk saya, tapi saya sendirilah yg harus menentukan kesimpulan berdasarkan pokok pelajaran kami, bkn dia. Dia hanya membantu dan keputusan slalu berada di tangan saya berdasarkan alkitab dan hati nurani saya.
Kasih mereka nyata dlm pertemuan dan pergaulan mereka yang hangat. Saya tidak pernah melihat mereka brkata kasar atau menyakiti rekan-rekan sesama mereka. Mereka mengenal satu sama lain dgn baik, kontras dgn gereja saya dulu yang serba cuek dan penuh persaingan.
Mereka juga sangat giat dlm memberitakan firman Allah dgn segala cara dan upaya.
Tidak ada kolekte atau perpuluhan, smua sumbangan adalah sukarela. Bahkan lektur yg mereka pakai dan siarkan tidak dibeli, tetapi hanya dgn sumbangan sukarela.
Semua sumbangan yang masuk akan dilaporkan secara transparan dan digunakan utk mencetak kembali lektur tsb.
Cara peribadatan dan pengorganisasian mreka sangat rapi, dan dlm kebaktian-kebaktian besar mereka, slalu dibersihkan sebelum dan sesudah digunakan. Tidak ada yg merokok atau berdesak-desakan dan saling mendorong di pintu masuk, semua saling mengasihi. Wajar jika mereka sering mendapatkan penghargaan dari pengelola gedung spt di istora senayan dll. Kontras dgn kebaktian-kebaktian gereja yg meninggalkan sampah dimana-mana, mereka dianjurkan membawa kantong untuk sampah masing-masing dan membawanya pulang seetelah kebaktian.
Iman yang mereka pelajari dari alkitab, benar-benar diwujudkan dgn perbuatan dan tingkah laku, ga cuma berteori dan cuap cuap di mulut saja.
Sekarang saya telah menemukan kebenaran dan semoga dlm wkt dekat saya bisa dibaptis...
Sungguh sekarang saya menemukan kedamaian dan persatuan sejati dlm dunia yang makin hancur dewasa ini.
maaf saya terlalu panjang bercerita, ini hanya luapan sukacita yang saya rasakan sekarang.

Trims.

Bro kalau mau datang keorganisasi yg tertib teratur, peduli lingkungan, peduli sesama anda gabung aja ke Budha tzuchi di cengkareng, tuh bagus banget mereka bisa memberi pengobatan gratis bagi yang tak mampu, menolong yang tertimpa bencana dll sebagai nya, saya yakin lebih manusiawi dari organisasi ssy. :tongue: :azn:

thanks bro,
Izinkan saya menjelaskan...
pa-rou-si'a berarti ketibaan maupun kehadiran yang disebabkan.(vine's expository dictionary 1981,jil 1 hal 208,209) sedangkan kedatangan dlm bahasa yunani kata untuk 'datang' adalah er'kho-mai yang memaksudkan suatu waktu  selama kehadirannya (pa-rou-si'a).
Kata pa-rou-si'a didefinisikan sebagai suatu jangka waktu tertentu, yang dapat mengartikan hadir secara fisik ( 1 cor 16:17 ; 2 cor 7:6 ; 10:10 ; php 1:26 ; 2:12) dan juga kehadiran yg tidak kelihatan (pa'rei-mi) (mat 18:20 ; 1 cor 5:3 ; ex 25:22)
Kehadiran YESUS dikaitkan dengan peristiwa pada zaman nuh,yang terjadi selama suatu jangka waktu bertahun-tahun (mat 24:37-39)
Sebaliknya di mat 24:30 "and then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven,and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the son of man coming (er-kho'me-non) on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory".secara tepat diterjemahkan datang.
Di ac 1 : 9-11 YESUS dikatakan datang 'dengan cara yang sama' dengan keberangkatannya ke surga. Seperti yang diperlihatkan di ayat 9, ia lenyap atau tertutup dari pandangan mereka dan hanya disaksikan oleh murid-muridnya. Dunia pada umumnya tidak mengetahui apa yang terjadi. Hal yang sama juga berlaku untuk kembalinya KRISTUS.
Apa yang dimaksud dengan ia 'datang dengan awan-awan' dan 'setiap mata akan melihatnya' (re 1:7) ?
Apa yang dinyatakan dengan awan-awan ? Yaitu tidak kelihatan.
Jika sebuah pesawat terbang berada dlm awan atau diatas awan, orang-orang di darat biasanya tidak dapat melihatnya, meskipun mereka mendengar deru mesin-mesinnya. Allah mengatakan kpd musa 'Aku akan datang kpdmu dlm awan yang gelap'. Musa tdk melihat Allah, awan itu menunjukkan kehadiran Allah yg tdk kelihatan (ex 19:9)
Jika KRISTUS muncul di atas langit jelaslah tidak 'setiap mata' akan melihatnya, misalnya muncul di atas indonesia dia tdk akan kelihatan di eropa, afrika, dan negara-negara amerika bukan ?
Dalam arti apa 'setiap mata akan melihat' ? Mereka akan mengerti dari peristiwa di bumi bahwa ia hadir secara tidak kelihatan (joh 9:41 ; rom 1:20)
Ketika KRISTUS kembali, ada yg menunjukan iman dgn mengamati peristiwa-peristiwa yg berkaitan dengan tanda kehadirannya,mengakui tanda kehadirannya,yg lain-lain menolak fakta itu walaupun mreka juga melihat  peristiwa-peristiwa tsb.
Dapatkah dikatakan bahwa seseorang benar-benar datang atau hadir jika ia tidak dapat dilihat ?
Rasul paulus berbicara ttg dirinya yang 'tidak hadir dalam tubuh tetapi hadir dalam roh' bersama sidang di korintus (1 co 5:3)
Allah berbicara mengenai saat Ia 'turun' utk mengacaukan bahasa orang-orang yang membangun menara babel'(ge 11:7) dan membebaskan israel dari mesir (ex 3:8 ; 33:14)
Tanda kehadiran YESUS dapat kita temukan di mat 24 dan ciri-ciri manusianya di 2 tim pasal 3.
Saya secara pribadi merasa bersyukur krn alkitab memberitahukan tanda-tanda tsb, dan ternyata sangat cocok utk menggambarkan zaman kita, juga ciri-ciri manusianya cocok.
Maka saya secara pribadi dengan bantuan alkitab dpt mengatakan dgn pasti bahwa bagi saya, ya...YESUS telah hadir dlm kuasanya.
Tidak setiap mata akan melihat krn dibutakan mata rohaninya dan spt zaman nuh orang-orang sibuk dgn kegiatan mereka sendiri tanpa menaruh perhatian akan tanda tsb.

sekian dan terimakasih.

sdr mao, jadi artinya jemaat ssy percaya Yesus sudah datang dalam bentuk rohani??


Dasar pengangkatan, ada pada janji Tuhan pada Yoh 14:1-3

14:1 "Janganlah gelisah hatimu; percayalah kepada Allah, percayalah juga kepada-Ku.
14:2 Di rumah Bapa-Ku banyak tempat tinggal. Jika tidak demikian, tentu Aku mengatakannya kepadamu. Sebab Aku pergi ke situ untuk menyediakan tempat bagimu.
14:3 Dan apabila Aku telah pergi ke situ dan telah menyediakan tempat bagimu, Aku akan datang kembali dan membawa kamu ke tempat-Ku, supaya di tempat di mana Aku berada, kamu pun berada.

Lalu bagaimana ssy mengabaikan ayat ayat ini??;

4:16 Sebab pada waktu tanda diberi, yaitu pada waktu penghulu malaikat berseru dan sangkakala Allah berbunyi, maka Tuhan sendiri akan turun dari sorga dan mereka yang mati dalam Kristus akan lebih dahulu bangkit;
4:17 sesudah itu, kita yang hidup, yang masih tinggal, akan diangkat bersama-sama dengan mereka dalam awan menyongsong Tuhan di angkasa. Demikianlah kita akan selama-lamanya bersama-sama dengan Tuhan.

Dan perkataan Yesus sendiri di;

Matius :
24:40 Pada waktu itu kalau ada dua orang di ladang, yang seorang akan dibawa dan yang lain akan ditinggalkan;

24:41 kalau ada dua orang perempuan sedang memutar batu kilangan, yang seorang akan dibawa dan yang lain akan ditinggalkan.

Sejak kapan ada pengangkatan??

Kalau ada pengangkatan dipastikan dunia akan heboh dan luarbiasa kacau, bagaimana anda ssy menjelaskan ini??? 
Apa anda berani mengklaim sudah terjadi pengangkatan???  :uglystupid2:
3:20 Lihat, Aku berdiri di muka pintu dan mengetok; jikalau ada orang yang mendengar suara-Ku dan membukakan pintu, Aku akan masuk mendapatkannya dan Aku makan bersama-sama dengan dia, dan ia bersama-sama dengan Aku.
December 20, 2011, 02:42:57 PM
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Trims,
Izinkan saya menjelaskan...
Sebelumnya saya ingin memberikan sedikit gambaran dari alkitab.
Kalau sdr melihat keterangan di zec 13:8,9
Sdr akan memahami bahwa ALLAH yg benar akan memurnikan bagian-bagian dari umatnya seperti memurnikan perak dan emas. Seorang tukang emas, akan memurnikan emas mereka dgn suhu yg tinggi, sehingga beberapa bagian-bagiannya akan tersisih dan jadilah emas yg murni.
Mari kita kembali ke umat pilihan Allah yg pertama...bangsa israel.
Di buka genesis dan exodus, kita mendapat keterangan ttg cara pemurnian bangsa israel. Walaupun telah melihat penyelamatan ALLAH di laut merah, mereka masih memiliki beberapa pemahaman yg keliru akibat pengaruh bangsa-bangsa sekitarnya. Bahkan harun, yang menjadi imam bagi israel secara keliru memahami bahwa mereka bisa menyenangkan ALLAH dgn membentuk perayaan patung lembu emas (ex 32:5) akhirnya ALLAH YEHUWA memberikan hukum yg menjadi standar dan membedakan mereka dari bangsa-bangsa yang lain (ex 19:5,6)
Pemurnian terus berlanjut dan krn ketidaktaatan mereka,maka mreka harus mengalami kematian di padang gurun, penghukuman pertama melalui pembinasaan yerusalem oleh babilon. Apakah semua binasa ? Tidak. Nehemiah 1:8,9 mencatat ttg bangsa yg kembali dikumpulkan dan membangun kembali yerusalem.
Tetapi apakah mereka berbalik dari haluan yg fasik, sesuai catatan injil ttg bangsa itu pada masa hidup YESUS di bumi, ternyata mereka menolak YESUS dan akhirnya dibinasakan tahun 70m.
Melalui korban tebusan Yesus, kesempatan untuk keselamatan kembali terbuka, dan pertama-tama di ulurkan kpd bagian dari bangsa itu...dan dimulai dgn dipilihnya 12 rasul (luke 22:27-30). Pemurnian juga membantu mereka utk memahami pandangan yg keliru ttg siapa yg terbesar (mr 9:33-37 ; 10:37,40,43-45)dan belakangan setelah kenaikan yesus ke surga, pemurnian terus berlanjut ttg nilai korban yesus bagi semua bangsa (ac 10:15,28), ttg sunat (act 15:1-21) dan pemurnian terus berlanjut sampai ke sidang-sidang Kristen abad pertama (re 1:11)
Setelah kematian rasul-rasul arus kemurtadan memasuki Kekristenan dgn deras, maka dimulailah era kegelapan rohani dmn lalang-lalang akan tumbuh bersama gandum (2 th 2:3-7)
Mengapa tampaknya ssy di awal pertumbuhannya terlalu dini memamahi 7 masa, beth-syharim, dan arti 'generasi' ?
sbr sebentar sdr...saya mau membuat segelas kopi hangat dlu sambil menjelaskan hal yang menarik ini di replay selanjutnya...
 Bersambung...

"Love does not work evil to one's neighbor" - romans 13 : 10
December 20, 2011, 03:02:49 PM
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Trims,
Izinkan saya menjelaskan...
Sebelumnya saya ingin memberikan sedikit gambaran dari alkitab.
Kalau sdr melihat keterangan di zec 13:8,9
Sdr akan memahami bahwa ALLAH yg benar akan memurnikan bagian-bagian dari umatnya seperti memurnikan perak dan emas. Seorang tukang emas, akan memurnikan emas mereka dgn suhu yg tinggi, sehingga beberapa bagian-bagiannya akan tersisih dan jadilah emas yg murni.
Mari kita kembali ke umat pilihan Allah yg pertama...bangsa israel.
Di buka genesis dan exodus, kita mendapat keterangan ttg cara pemurnian bangsa israel. Walaupun telah melihat penyelamatan ALLAH di laut merah, mereka masih memiliki beberapa pemahaman yg keliru akibat pengaruh bangsa-bangsa sekitarnya. Bahkan harun, yang menjadi imam bagi israel secara keliru memahami bahwa mereka bisa menyenangkan ALLAH dgn membentuk perayaan patung lembu emas (ex 32:5) akhirnya ALLAH YEHUWA memberikan hukum yg menjadi standar dan membedakan mereka dari bangsa-bangsa yang lain (ex 19:5,6)
Pemurnian terus berlanjut dan krn ketidaktaatan mereka,maka mreka harus mengalami kematian di padang gurun, penghukuman pertama melalui pembinasaan yerusalem oleh babilon. Apakah semua binasa ? Tidak. Nehemiah 1:8,9 mencatat ttg bangsa yg kembali dikumpulkan dan membangun kembali yerusalem.
Tetapi apakah mereka berbalik dari haluan yg fasik, sesuai catatan injil ttg bangsa itu pada masa hidup YESUS di bumi, ternyata mereka menolak YESUS dan akhirnya dibinasakan tahun 70m.
Melalui korban tebusan YESUS, kesempatan untuk keselamatan kembali terbuka, dan pertama-tama di ulurkan kpd bagian dari bangsa itu...dan dimulai dgn dipilihnya 12 rasul (luke 22:27-30). Pemurnian juga membantu mereka utk memahami pandangan yg keliru ttg siapa yg terbesar (mr 9:33-37 ; 10:37,40,43-45)dan belakangan setelah kenaikan YESUS ke surga, pemurnian terus berlanjut ttg nilai korban YESUS bagi semua bangsa (ac 10:15,28), ttg sunat (act 15:1-21) dan pemurnian terus berlanjut sampai ke sidang-sidang Kristen abad pertama (re 1:11)
Setelah kematian rasul-rasul arus kemurtadan memasuki Kekristenan dgn deras, maka dimulailah era kegelapan rohani dmn lalang-lalang akan tumbuh bersama gandum (2 th 2:3-7)
Mengapa tampaknya ssy di awal pertumbuhannya terlalu dini memamahi 7 masa, beth-syharim, dan arti 'generasi' ?
sbr sebentar sdr...saya mau membuat segelas kopi hangat dlu sambil menjelaskan hal yang menarik ini di replay selanjutnya...
 Bersambung...



lantas ssy meramal kedatangan TYK berulang ulang kali dan terussss meleset.

itulah ajaran manunia, pikiran manusia manusia ssy.

melalui korban tebusan Yesus = michael  --> ajaran ssy lagi.

michael bisa berkorban ??

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December 20, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
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Trims atas tanggapannya,
Saya akan menjawab pertanyaan2 sdr setelah menyelesaikan satu topik, supaya ga dibilang oot, jadi harap bersabar ya.

Saksi-Saksi Yehuwa, Pemberita kerajaan Allah

Kebenaran yang progresif,

Pada thn 1882, C. T. Russel menulis, 'Alkitab adalah satu-satunya standar kita, dan ajaran-ajarannya adalah satu-satunya kredo kita, dan dengan mengakui bahwa penyingkapan kebenaran Alkitab bersifat progresif, kita SIAP untuk menyesuaikan iman, seraya kita mendapatkan lebih banyak terang dari standar kita (wt april 1882,hal 7)
Apa yg dipahami ssy ?
Pengertian yg jelas ttg firman Allah tidak datang sekaligus. Dalam byk kasus, siswa-siswa alkitab (sebutan utk ssy waktu itu) dapat menangkap satu perincian pola kebenaran tetapi belum mendapatkan gambar yang lengkap. Meskipun demikian, mereka rela belajar. Mereka tidak terbelenggu oleh kredo, mereka progresif. Mereka tidak mencari pujian dari apa yg mereka ajarkan, mereka berupaya untuk diajar dan dimurnikan oleh Yehuwa (joh 6:45) dan mereka menghargai bahwa Yehuwa akan membuat pengertian dari perincian Maksud tujuan-Nya dlm waktunya sendiri dan dengan cara-Nya sendiri (da 12:9 ; joh 16:12,13).
Mempelajari hal-hal baru menuntut penyesuaian dlm pandangan. Jika kesalahan perlu diakui atau perubahan yg membawa manfaat harus dilakukan, kerendahan hati dibutuhkan. Sifat ini dan buah-buahnya amat berkenan bagi Yehuwa, dan haluan yang demikian sangat menarik bagi pecinta kebenaran (zep 3:12).
Namun hal ini dicemoohkan oleh mereka yang memuliakan kredo-kredo yg tetap tidak berubah selama berabad-abad, walaupun dirumuskan oleh orang-orang yang tidak sempurna.

Apakah krn memiliki pandangan yg belum lengkap, mereka layak disebut 'sesat' ?
Bandingkan dengan umat Allah dimasa lampau dlm replay saya sebelumnya,
Mereka juga memiliki beberapa pandangan yg keliru, tetapi mereka dengan rela dimurnikan dan menunjukan kerendahan hati dengan mengakui cara Allah membimbing umatNya.
Apakah lantas krn pandangan mereka utk selanjutnya mereka disebut sesat ? Tidak.
Alkitab memperlihatkan bahwa harun ditunjuk yehuwa utk urusan keimaman dan rasul-rasul yesus menerima harapan surgawi utk memerintah di surga (lev 8:12 ; lu 22:28-30).
Jadi sama seperti saat kita keluar dari ruang yg gelap gulita, tiba-tiba lgsg mendapatkan cahaya yg sangat terang, pasti akan sangat menyakiti mata, tapi pola pemurnian Yehuwa dan penyingkapan maksud tujuanNya bersifat progresif, seperti rembang tengah hari, dari gelap cahaya nya perlahan-lahan menyinari kita.
Smoga dapat dimengerti.
Salam.
"Love does not work evil to one's neighbor" - romans 13 : 10
 


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