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December 18, 2018, 03:32:45 PM
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Permasalahan bumi datar atau bumi bulat, beberapa tahun terakhir menjadi bahan perdebatan yg hangat dan bahkan menjadi viral, dan tidak sedikit .. pihak2 non Kristen, melemparkan pendapa yg cenderung “fitnah”, bawah pemahaman bumi datar adalah berdasarkan “pernyataan gereja”.

Tetapi untuk mengklarifikasi itu semua, bagaimana sebenarnya pendapat Alkitab tentang bumi ini, apakah bumi itu datar atau bulat ??

Firman Tuhan berkata dalam Yesaya 40:22.. Dia yg ber tahtah diatas “bulatan” bumi..sudah sangat jelas memberitahukan kita, bahwa “bumi itu bulat”, dan fakta ini .. memberitahukan pada kita, kebenaran FT tsb teruji oleh Kenyataan ilmiah, bahwa bumi itu bulat.

Semoga Yesaya 40:22 tsb, dapat menjadi “pegangan kita”, dalam berdiskusi dgn “kelompok bumi datar”, sebab ayat tersebut juga, merupakan “nubuat an” Yesaya, bahwa Allah akan menjadi raja atas seluruh dunia.

Salam dan Tuhan Yesus memberkati..
December 18, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
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Firman Tuhan berkata dalam Yesaya 40:22.. Dia yg ber tahtah diatas “bulatan” bumi..
bold ---> a circle.

oda :
a circle tidak sertamerta artinya = a sphere, 888.
jadi mungkin ya a sphere (3d), mungkin juga sebuah lingkeran (2D)

When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep

Clouds veil him so that he cannot see,
as he walks on the circle of the sky


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pendapat yg cenderung “fitnah”, bawah pemahaman bumi datar adalah berdasarkan “pernyataan gereja”.
Berikut pandangan salah seorang "gereja" (Augustine) :

Chapter 9 - Whether We are to Believe in the Antipodes
But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, that is on no ground credible.

And, indeed, it is not affirmed that this has been learned by historical knowledge, but by scientific conjecture, on the ground that the earth is suspended within the concavity of the sky, and that it has as much room on the one side of it as on the other: hence they say that the part which is beneath must also be inhabited.

But they do not remark that, although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled

(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120116.htm)

penulis bilang :
That [there are Antipodes] = a fable.

argumen penulis:
Taroh kata apa kata iptek that [there are Antipodes] = correct,
maka itu sama aja bilang that [there are men who walk with their feet opposite ours]

TETAPI
it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water;
nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled

dengan demikian,
what it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that [the world is of a round and spherical form] is a fable.
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December 19, 2018, 06:41:13 AM
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bold ---> a circle.

oda :
a circle tidak sertamerta artinya = a sphere, 888.
jadi mungkin ya a sphere (3d), mungkin juga sebuah lingkeran (2D)


Persis gaya Iblis memanipulasi Firman Tuhan untuk menipu manusia !

hati hati dengan manipulator Alkitab !

December 19, 2018, 06:47:10 AM
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Persis gaya Iblis memanipulasi Firman Tuhan untuk menipu manusia !

hati hati dengan manipulator Alkitab !


Manipulator? Ente aja yang terlalu percaya pembacaan menurut nalar Ente. Justru kosmologi Yahudi Kuno di PL percaya bumi itu datar.

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In a nutshell, ancient Hebrew cosmology, as found in the Old Testament, considers the world in which we live a relatively flat disk, covered by a dome. Something like a gigantic cake stand covered with one of those classic glass domes, if you will.

https://aleteia.org/2016/07/07/when-the-earth-was-flat-a-map-of-the-universe-according-to-the-old-testament/
December 19, 2018, 06:53:30 AM
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Manipulator? Ente aja yang terlalu percaya pembacaan menurut nalar Ente. Justru kosmologi Yahudi Kuno di PL percaya bumi itu datar.

https://aleteia.org/2016/07/07/when-the-earth-was-flat-a-map-of-the-universe-according-to-the-old-testament/

Kalau percaya kosmologi Yahudi itu urusanmu !

Alkitab sudah menyatakan "bulatan bumi" jangan dimanipulasi seolah olah bumi tidak bulat persis pekerjaan manipulasi si Iblis di Taman Eden

December 19, 2018, 06:55:32 AM
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Kalau percaya kosmologi Yahudi itu urusanmu !

Alkitab sudah menyatakan "bulatan bumi" jangan dimanipulasi seolah olah bumi tidak bulat persis pekerjaan manipulasi si Iblis di Taman Eden


Wkwkwkwk ente ngarti arti "kosmologi Yahudi Kuno di PL" kagak?
Ente tahu bahasa Ibrani dari bulatan?
December 19, 2018, 07:01:20 AM
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Wkwkwkwk ente ngarti arti "kosmologi Yahudi Kuno di PL" kagak?
Ente tahu bahasa Ibrani dari bulatan?

Saya percaya bulatan bumi artinya memang bumi bulat sesuai ayat tsb.

Kalau kamu percaya bumi datar seperti Yahudi itu saya tidak heran akan levelmu itu !

December 19, 2018, 08:31:19 AM
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Saya percaya bulatan bumi artinya memang bumi bulat sesuai ayat tsb.
Ya. kalimat diatas adalah event cocokmologi.

Yang duluan dipercayai adalah bumi = a sphere / ball, so there are Antipodes.
Barulah blakangan nyari2 ayat.
Otomatis, kosakata "a circle" yg terbaca di ayat disimpulkan = a sphere.


KONTRAS dgn Augustine.

Augustine duluan baca ayat... akibatnya
Yang duluan dipercayai Augustine, bumi = bunder flat kayak coin BUKAN bunder as a sphere.

blakangan, setelah dia tau science bilang bhw bumi = a sphere / ball, so there are Antipodes
Akibatnya di pov dia that there are Antipodes = a fable.

For Scripture, which proves the truth of its historical statements by the accomplishment of its prophecies, gives no false information; and it is too absurd to say, that some men might have taken ship and traversed the whole wide ocean, and crossed from this side of the world to the other, and that thus even the inhabitants of that distant region are descended from that one first man

Augustine :
Scripture gives no false information

Q :
what information ?

Augustine :
That the earth is a circle flat just like a coin....
therefore that there are Antipodes is a fable.
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December 19, 2018, 08:44:27 AM
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Ya. kalimat diatas adalah event cocokmologi.

Yang duluan dipercayai adalah bumi = a sphere / ball, so there are Antipodes.
Barulah blakangan nyari2 ayat.
Otomatis, kosakata "a circle" yg terbaca di ayat disimpulkan = a sphere.


KONTRAS dgn Augustine.

Augustine duluan baca ayat... akibatnya
Yang duluan dipercayai Augustine, bumi = bunder flat kayak coin BUKAN bunder as a sphere.

blakangan, setelah dia tau science bilang bhw bumi = a sphere / ball, so there are Antipodes
Akibatnya di pov dia that there are Antipodes = a fable.

For Scripture, which proves the truth of its historical statements by the accomplishment of its prophecies, gives no false information; and it is too absurd to say, that some men might have taken ship and traversed the whole wide ocean, and crossed from this side of the world to the other, and that thus even the inhabitants of that distant region are descended from that one first man

Augustine :
Scripture gives no false information

Q :
what information ?

Augustine :
That the earth is a circle flat just like a coin....
therefore that there are Antipodes is a fable.
Kagak bakalan ngarti dia. Agustinus aja dia kagak tahu siapa.wwkwkwkwk
Apalagi kalau anda jelaskan pake bahasa Inggris. Makin sakit kepala dia, malah lebih ngotot dari Flatearther.

Eh Jamu, emang kalau di Alkitab ada pandangan bumi datar kenapa? gk cocok ama sola scriptura dan ineransi Alkitab mu? makanya cocoklogi? walau ente sendiri kagak tahu bahasa Ibrani, Yunani dan Aram, kagak tahu juga teks teks kuno yang dipakai. ente tafsir dari bahasa Indonesia doank dan yakin tafsir dari nalar ente yang terbatas itu paling benar? ngimpi
December 19, 2018, 09:29:39 AM
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Kagak bakalan ngarti dia. Agustinus aja dia kagak tahu siapa.wwkwkwkwk
Apalagi kalau anda jelaskan pake bahasa Inggris. Makin sakit kepala dia, malah lebih ngotot dari Flatearther.

Eh Jamu, emang kalau di Alkitab ada pandangan bumi datar kenapa? gk cocok ama sola scriptura dan ineransi Alkitab mu? makanya cocoklogi? walau ente sendiri kagak tahu bahasa Ibrani, Yunani dan Aram, kagak tahu juga teks teks kuno yang dipakai. ente tafsir dari bahasa Indonesia doank dan yakin tafsir dari nalar ente yang terbatas itu paling benar? ngimpi
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