Gereja Protestan Yang Tergabung di WCC

The organization members include denominations, which claim to collectively represent some 590 million people, across the world in ca. 150 countries, including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests.

Its members today include most mainstream Christian churches, but not the Catholic Church (Katholik Roma-Red).

Many churches who refused to join the WCC joined together to form the World Evangelical Alliance.

WCC menganggap Katolik Roma hanya satu dan berbeda.

Dengan sumber World Council of Churches, maka angka 520 ribu denom dan 1 denom untuk Katolik Roma sudah cukup mewakili pertanyaan Saudara Kahlil dkk selama ini, rupanya saya salah baca, bukan 120 ribu melainkan 520 ribu.

Maaf atas keteledoran saya.

Terima kasih.

Salam

http://hirr.hartsem.edu/bookshelf/Church%26Denomgrowth/ch%26dngrw-ch2.pdf

Maaf, judulnya saya edit supaya lebih sesuai.

Kalau Anda bilang angka denom yang resmi, maka hasilnya bisa beragam. Mengatakan hanya satu yang resmi itu bisa menyesatkan, karena semua sumber adalah resmi dan angkanya bisa berbeda-beda (sesuai kepentingan)

520,000 local congregations, bukan denominasi.
Definisinya tidak sama dengan yang Anda ungkapkan dulu.

Yang saya bold itu menandakan asumsi.
Lagipula, kalau sumber http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church diklik, di dalamnya ada daftar Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church, Belarusian Greek Catholic Church, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, dst.

WCC dan WEA merupakan organisasi oikumene. Gereja Katolik (Barat dan Timur) secara formal tidak bergabung dengan keduanya, tetapi mendukung aktivitasnya.

Tolong kutipkan pernyataan yang mengatakan begitu, karena saya tidak menemukannya.

Bukan. Pernyataan yang jujur ialah Anda mencari-cari referensi lagi dan menemukan sumber lain yang semakin berbeda dengan yang Anda maksud.

Teledornya sudah cukup satu kali. Tidak perlu diulangi lagi di topik ini.

Salam

Edit: Coba Anda mampir ke topik Di Manakah Referensi Mengenai 47 Denom Kristen? - Diskusi Umum Kristen - ForumKristen.com mungkin ada referensi yang membantu (walaupun tidak berhubungan dengan topik ini)

Saya mengikuti pernyataan WCC mengenai denominasi, dan Kongregasi itu masing-masing beda pemimpin, jelas beda denom.

WCC itu bisa dibandingkan dengan PGI untuk lingkup Indonesia

Yang saya bold itu menandakan asumsi.
Kalau Anda baca sumber tersebut, maka Anda tidak menganggap sebagai asumsi:

“Relations with the Catholic Church”

The largest Christian body, the Catholic Church, is not a member of the WCC, but has worked closely with the Council for more than three decades and sends observers to all major WCC conferences as well as to its Central Committee meetings and the Assemblies (cf. Joint Working Group)."

Lagipula, kalau sumber http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church diklik, di dalamnya ada daftar Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church, Belarusian Greek Catholic Church, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, dst.
Mereka Orthodox tergabung didalam WCC, satu-satunya Gereja Katolik yang tidak bergabung adalah Katolik Roma.
WCC dan WEA merupakan organisasi oikumene. Gereja Katolik (Barat dan Timur) secara formal tidak bergabung dengan keduanya, tetapi mendukung aktivitasnya.
Ya, bukan anggota tetapi mengirimkan pemantau/pengawas, seperti Australia terhadap ASEAN.

WCC bisa dipahami mirip PGI di Indonesia.

Edit: Koreksi, Orthodox bergabung didalam WCC sebagai anggota.

Tolong kutipkan pernyataan yang mengatakan begitu, karena saya tidak menemukannya.
Lihat diatas
Bukan. Pernyataan yang jujur ialah Anda mencari-cari referensi lagi dan menemukan sumber lain yang semakin berbeda dengan yang Anda maksud. Teledornya sudah cukup satu kali. Tidak perlu diulangi lagi di topik ini.
Sayangnya, memang angka denom protestan segitu, dari dulu udah bejibun, tidak suka pemimpin, bikin denom baru, tidak suka doktrin, bikin denom baru, demikian seterusnya.

What can I do?

It’s a protestant nature.

Edit: Coba Anda mampir ke topik https://forumkristen.com/index.php?topic=53142.0 mungkin ada referensi yang membantu (walaupun tidak berhubungan dengan topik ini)
Akan saya lihat.

Salam

wahahaha, dilanjutin booow.

lebih baik diluruskan dulu definisi denominasi yg sebenarnya, sebelum ngalor ngidul kemana2, karena jelas pengertian kita tentang denominasi masih berbeda

kalau pengertian denominasi menurut malaikat suci seperti itu, saya ga heran ada 10 juta denominasi juga… wong cabang antar daerah aja disebut beda denom

perlu diketahui denominasi itu pengertiannya lebih kepada doktrin ajarannya, bedakan antara buka cabang gereja dengan tujuan menjangkau jiwa dengan perpecahan

Satu Gajah Tambun yg ke BESAR an dan ke BERAT an Badan biasanya MALAS bergerak dan KALAH GESIT dengan Sang Kancil yg ramping

Denominasi adalah sekumpulan orang (religius) dengan pemimpin, doktrin dan nama yang berbeda dengan kumpulan religius lainnya. (Terjemahan bebas dari definisi versi wikipedia).

Awalnya, didalam kekristenan muncul denom ketika adanya penolakan terhadap pemimpin Katolik Roma, terutama ketika skisma, Anglikan kemudian luther, dan ternyata berlanjut sampai sekarang, bahkan sekarang, antara sesama protestan saling menolak pemimpin sehingga bermunculan denom baru dengan jumlah aduhai, selain karena beda doktrin.

Kurang lebih demikian.

Salam

oke kurang lebih saya setuju dengan definisinya.

jadi harus beda pemimpin, beda doktrin, dan beda nama gitu kan? kebanyakan yang kamu sebut denominasi itu sebenarnya beda pemimpin, beda nama, tapi sama doktrinnya. jadi itu tidak memenuhi syarat sebuah denominasi baru, kadang malah cuma beda nama aja, pemimpinnya sama.

sesuai dengan apa yg pernah saya post, benarlah kalau denominasi itu paling cuma 40-50an aja.

Ini Gereja-gereja yang tergabung di WCC menurut http://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/list

  1. African Christian Church & Schools
  2. African Church of the Holy Spirit
  3. African Inland Church of South Sudan and Sudan
  4. African Israel Nineveh Church
  5. African Methodist Episcopal Church
  6. African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
  7. African Protestant Church
  8. American Baptist Churches in the USA
  9. Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand, and Polynesia
    10.Anglican Church in Japan
    11.Anglican Church of Australia
    12.Anglican Church of Burundi
    13.Anglican Church of Canada
    14.Anglican Church of Kenya
    15.Anglican Church of Korea
    16.Anglican Church of Southern Africa
    17.Anglican Church of Tanzania
    18.Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of America
    19.Armenian Apostolic Church (Holy See of Cilicia)
    20.Armenian Apostolic Church (Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin)
    21.Association of Baptist Churches in Rwanda
    22.Association of Evangelical Reformed Churches of Burkina Faso
    23.Association The Church of God
    24.Bangladesh Baptist Church Sangha
    25.Baptist Association of El Salvador
    26.Baptist Convention of Haiti
    27.Baptist Convention of Nicaragua
    28.Baptist Union of Denmark
    29.Baptist Union of Great Britain
    30.Baptist Union of Hungary
    31.Baptist Union of New Zealand
    32.Batak Christian Community Church
    33.Bengal-Orissa-Bihar Baptist Convention
    34.Bolivian Evangelical Lutheran Church
    35.Canadian Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    36.Catholic Diocese of the Old-Catholics in Germany
    37.China Christian Council
    38.Christian Biblical Church
    39.Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in Canada
    40.Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States
    41.Christian Church of Central Sulawesi
    42.Christian Church of Sumba
    43.Christian Churches New Zealand
    44.Christian Evangelical Church in Minahasa
    45.Christian Evangelical Church of Sangihe Talaud
    46.Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
    47.Christian Protestant Angkola Church
    48.Christian Protestant Church in Indonesia
    49.Church in the Province of the West Indies
    50.Church in Wales
    51.Church of Bangladesh
    52.Church of Ceylon
    53.Church of Christ - Harris Mission (Harrist Church)
    54.Church of Christ in Congo - Anglican Community of Congo
    55.Church of Christ in Congo - Baptist Community of Congo
    56.Church of Christ in Congo - Community of Disciples of Christ in Congo
    57.Church of Christ in Congo - Evangelical Community of Congo
    58.Church of Christ in Congo - Mennonite Community in Congo
    59.Church of Christ in Congo - Presbyterian Community of Congo
    60.Church of Christ in Congo - Presbyterian Community of Kinshasa
    61.Church of Christ in Congo - Protestant Baptist Church in Africa / Episcopal Baptist Community in Africa
    62.Church of Christ in Thailand
    63.Church of Christ Light of the Holy Spirit
    64.Church of Cyprus
    65.Church of England
    66.Church of Greece
    67.Church of Ireland
    68.Church of Jesus Christ in Madagascar (FJKM)
    69.Church of Jesus Christ on Earth by His Special Envoy Simon Kimbangu
    70.Church of Melanesia
    71.Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion)
    72.Church of North India
    73.Church of Norway
    74.Church of Pakistan
    75.Church of Scotland
    76.Church of South India
    77.Church of Sweden
    78.Church of the Brethren
    79.Church of the Brethren in Nigeria (EYN)
    80.Church of the Lord (Aladura) Worldwide
    81.Church of the Province of Central Africa
    82.Church of the Province of Myanmar
    83.Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean
    84.Church of the Province of West Africa
    85.Church of Uganda
    86.Churches of Christ in Australia
    87.Congregational Christian Church in American Samoa
    88.Congregational Christian Church in Samoa
    89.Congregational Christian Church of Niue
    90.Congregational Christian Church of Tuvalu
    91.Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches
    92.Cook Islands Christian Church
    93.Coptic Orthodox Church
    94.Council of African Instituted Churches
    95.Czechoslovak Hussite Church
    96.East Java Christian Church
    97.Ecumenical Patriarchate
    98.EKD - Bremen Evangelical Church*
    99.EKD - Church of Lippe*
    100.EKD - Evangelical Church Berlin-Brandenburg-Silesian Oberlausitz*

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101.EKD - Evangelical Church in Baden*
102.EKD - Evangelical Church in Central Germany
103.EKD - Evangelical Church in Hesse and Nassau*
104.EKD - Evangelical Church in Rhineland*
105.EKD - Evangelical Church in Württemberg*
106.EKD - Evangelical Church of Anhalt*
107.EKD - Evangelical Church of Kurhessen-Waldeck*
108.EKD - Evangelical Church of the Palatinate*
109.EKD - Evangelical Church of Westphalia*
110.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church in Bavaria
111.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church in Brunswick
112.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church in Northern Germany
113.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church in Oldenburg*
114.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hanover
115.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church of Saxony
116.EKD - Evangelical Lutheran Church of Schaumburg-Lippe
117.EKD - Evangelical Reformed Church in Bavaria and North-Western Germany*
118.Episcopal Anglican Church of Brazil
119.Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East
120.Episcopal Church in the Philippines
121.Episcopal Church of South Sudan and Sudan
122.Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church
123.Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
124.Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus (EECMY)
125.Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
126.Evangelical Baptist Church in Angola
127.Evangelical Baptist Union of Italy
128.Evangelical Christian Church in Halmahera
129.Evangelical Christian Church in Tanah Papua
130.Evangelical Church in Germany
131.Evangelical Church in New Caledonia and the Loyalty Isles
132.Evangelical Church of Cameroon
133.Evangelical Church of Congo
134.Evangelical Church of Czech Brethren
135.Evangelical Church of Gabon
136.Evangelical Church of the Augsburg and Helvetic Confessions in Austria
137.Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland
138.Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Romania
139.Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
140.Evangelical Church of the Disciples of Christ in Argentina
141.Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil
142.Evangelical Church of the River Plate
143.Evangelical Congregational Church in Angola
144.Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
145.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
146.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chile
147.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Congo (ELCCo)
148.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark
149.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan & the Holy Land
150.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Namibia
151.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
152.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania (ELCT)
153.Evangelical Lutheran Church in the Republic of Namibia
154.Evangelical Lutheran Church in Zimbabwe
155.Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
156.Evangelical Lutheran Church of Ghana
157.Evangelical Lutheran Church of Iceland
158.Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
159.Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
160.Evangelical Methodist Church in Bolivia
161.Evangelical Methodist Church in Italy
162.Evangelical Methodist Church in the Philippines
163.Evangelical Methodist Church of Argentina
164.Evangelical Pentecostal Mission of Angola
165.Evangelical Presbyterian Church in South Africa
166.Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Egypt Synod of the Nile
167.Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Iran
168.Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Portugal
169.Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Togo
170.Evangelical Presbyterian Church, Ghana
171.Evangelical Reformed Church of Angola
172.Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Romania
173.Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
174.Free Pentecostal Missions Church of Chile
175.Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga (Methodist Church in Tonga)
176.Greek Evangelical Church
177.Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa
178.Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East
179.Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem
180.Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East
181.Hong Kong Council of the Church of Christ in China
182.Hungarian Reformed Church in America
183.Independent Presbyterian Church of Brazil
184.Indonesian Christian Church (GKI)
185.Indonesian Christian Church (HKI)
186.International Council of Community Churches
187.International Evangelical Church
188.Jamaica Baptist Union
189.Javanese Christian Churches
190.Kalimantan Evangelical Church
191.Karo Batak Protestant Church
192.Kenya Evangelical Lutheran Church
193.Kiribati Protestant Church
194.Korean Christian Church in Japan
195.Korean Methodist Church
196.Lao Evangelical Church
197.Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
198.Lesotho Evangelical Church
199.Lusitanian Church of Portugal
200.Lutheran Church in Hungary

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201.Lutheran Church in Liberia
202.Malagasy Lutheran Church (FLM)
203.Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
204.Maohi Protestant Church
205.Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar
206.Mara Evangelical Church
207.Mennonite Church in Germany
208.Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
209.Methodist Church
210.Methodist Church Ghana
211.Methodist Church in Brazil
212.Methodist Church in Cuba
213.Methodist Church in Fiji and Rotuma
214.Methodist Church in India
215.Methodist Church in Indonesia
216.Methodist Church in Ireland
217.Methodist Church in Kenya
218.Methodist Church in Malaysia
219.Methodist Church in Singapore
220.Methodist Church in the Caribbean and the Americas
221.Methodist Church in Zimbabwe
222.Methodist Church Nigeria
223.Methodist Church of Chile
224.Methodist Church of Mexico
225.Methodist Church of New Zealand
226.Methodist Church of Peru
227.Methodist Church of Puerto Rico
228.Methodist Church of Samoa
229.Methodist Church of Southern Africa
230.Methodist Church of Togo
231.Methodist Church of Uruguay
232.Methodist Church Sierra Leone
233.Methodist Church, Sri Lanka
234.Methodist Church, Upper Myanmar
235.Moravian Church in America
236.Moravian Church in Jamaica
237.Moravian Church in Nicaragua
238.Moravian Church in South Africa
239.Moravian Church in Suriname
240.Moravian Church in Tanzania
241.Moravian Church in Western Europe
242.Moravian Church, Eastern West Indies Province
243.Myanmar Baptist Convention
244.National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
245.National Baptist Convention USA, Inc.
246.National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon
247.Native Baptist Church of Cameroon
248.Nias Christian Protestant Church
249.Nigerian Baptist Convention
250.Old-Catholic Church in Austria
251.Old-Catholic Church in the Netherlands
252.Old-Catholic Church of Switzerland
253.Old-Catholic Mariavite Church in Poland
254.Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
255.Orthodox Church in America
256.Orthodox Church in Japan
257.Orthodox Church in the Czech Lands and Slovakia
258.Orthodox Church of Finland
259.Pasundan Christian Church
260.Pentecostal Church of Chile
261.Pentecostal Mission Church
262.Philippine Independent Church
263.Polish Autocephalous Orthodox Church
264.Polish Catholic Church in Poland
265.Polish National Catholic Church
266.Presbyterian Church (USA)
267.Presbyterian Church in Cameroon
268.Presbyterian Church in Canada
269.Presbyterian Church in Rwanda
270.Presbyterian Church in Taiwan
271.Presbyterian Church in the Republic of Korea
272.Presbyterian Church of Africa
273.Presbyterian Church of Aoteroa New Zealand
274.Presbyterian Church of Cameroon
275.Presbyterian Church of Colombia
276.Presbyterian Church of East Africa
277.Presbyterian Church of Ghana
278.Presbyterian Church of Korea
279.Presbyterian Church of Liberia
280.Presbyterian Church of Mozambique
281.Presbyterian Church of Nigeria
282.Presbyterian Church of Pakistan
283.Presbyterian Church of South Sudan and Sudan
284.Presbyterian Church of Trinidad and Tobago
285.Presbyterian Church of Vanuatu
286.Presbyterian Church of Wales
287.Presbyterian-Reformed Church in Cuba
288.Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
289.Protestant Christian Batak Church
290.Protestant Christian Church in Bali
291.Protestant Church in Indonesia
292.Protestant Church in Sabah
293.Protestant Church in South-East Sulawesi
294.Protestant Church in the Moluccas
295.Protestant Church in the Netherlands
296.Protestant Church in Timor Lorosa’e
297.Protestant Church in Western Indonesia
298.Protestant Church of Algeria
299.Protestant Evangelical Church in Timor
300.Protestant Methodist Church of Benin

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301.Province of the Anglican Church in Rwanda
302.Reformed Christian Church in Serbia & Montenegro
303.Reformed Christian Church in Slovakia
304.Reformed Church in America
305.Reformed Church in Hungary
306.Reformed Church in Romania
307.Reformed Church in Zambia
308.Reformed Church in Zimbabwe
309.Reformed Church of Christ in Nigeria
310.Reformed Presbyterian Church of Equatorial Guinea
311.Religious Society of Friends: Friends General Conference
312.Religious Society of Friends: Friends United Meeting
313.Remonstrant Brotherhood
314.Romanian Orthodox Church
315.Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
316.Salvadorean Lutheran Synod
317.Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches
318.Scottish Episcopal Church
319.Serbian Orthodox Church
320.Silesian Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession
321.Simalungun Protestant Christian Church
322.Slovak Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Serbia & Montenegro
323.Spanish Evangelical Church
324.Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
325.Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East
326.The African Church
327.The Episcopal Church
328.Toraja Church
329.Union of Baptist Churches in Cameroon
330.Union of Protestant Churches in Alsace and Lorraine
331.Union of the Armenian Evangelical Churches in the Near East
332.Union of Welsh Independents
333.United Church in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands
334.United Church in Papua New Guinea
335.United Church in the Solomon Islands
336.United Church of Canada
337.United Church of Christ
338.United Church of Christ - Congregational in the Marshall Islands
339.United Church of Christ in Japan
340.United Church of Christ in the Philippines
341.United Church of Christ in Zimbabwe
342.United Church of Zambia
343.United Congregational Church of Southern Africa
344.United Evangelical Lutheran Church
345.United Evangelical Lutheran Church in India
346.United Free Church of Scotland
347.United Methodist Church
348.United Methodist Church of Ivory Coast
349.United Presbyterian Church of Brazil
350.United Protestant Church
351.United Protestant Church of Belgium
352.United Protestant Church of France
353.United Reformed Church
354.Uniting Church in Australia
355.Uniting Church in Sweden
356.Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa
357.Uniting Reformed Church in Southern Africa
358.Waldensian Church

  • The churches marked with an asterisk are represented in the WCC through the Evangelical Church in Germany (EKD) but not counted as direct members.

Total ada 358, termasuk gereja-gereja Orthodox.

Di sumber yang Anda cantumkan, tertulis “including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests”
Jumlah local congregations ada 520,000, sementara pastor dan pendetanya 493,000. Artinya, ada satu pastor/pendeta yang melayani lebih dari satu local congregation.
Belum lagi, bisa saja ada dua (atau lebih) local congregation yang termasuk dalam satu denominasi.
Karena itulah di http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_of_Churches berbunyi seperti ini:

The organization members include denominations, which claim to collectively represent some 590 million people, across the world in ca. 150 countries, including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests, in addition to elders, teachers, members of parish councils and others.

Denominasi, yang…, termasuk 520,000 local congregation yang dilayani 493,000 pastor dan pendeta dst.
Local congregation merupakan unit yang lebih kecil daripada denominasi.

Ya, di kalimat itu kata-kata Catholic Church saya klik, lalu menuju ke link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church yang menyebutkan tentang adanya banyak Catholic Church. Tapi ini tidak relevan dengan topik, sehingga tidak akan saya bahas lebih lanjut.

Angka gereja-gereja yang tergabung di WCC belum tentu sama dengan jumlah denom Protestan. Hasilnya tidak akurat kalau Anda mengambil langsung dari WCC. Sensus agama di topik sebelah lebih akurat dan definisinya jelas.

Di sini saya mendaftar anggota WCC, tapi jumlahnya ada 358, termasuk beberapa gereja Orthodox

Sumbernya berdasarkan referensi yang dikutip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_of_Churches#cite_note-5

Saya tidak tahu mengapa angkanya bukan 520,000, tapi untuk sementara saya berasumsi bahwa yang tercatat di situ merupakan kelompok yang lebih besar, di mana bisa berisi lebih dari 1 local congregation. Mungkin ada yang bisa bantu?

Salam

@Kahlil, silahkan masuk ke list member setiap negara, contohnya:

http://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/north-america/united-states-of-america/cct-usa
http://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/north-america/united-states-of-america/nccc-usa
Dst…

Perhatikan note dibawah:

“Note: The list of churches present in countries is still in development.”

Jadi, denom dari setiap negara juga belum selesai ditulis diwebsite tersebut.

Salam

The list of churches, bukan the list of denominations.
Ya, kalau mau didaftar tiap negara pasti mencapai angka itu. Berarti sesuai dengan pernyataan saya bahwa yang 358 merupakan unit yang lebih besar daripada local congregations.

Salam

Semuanya memang ditulis Church, bukan denom, tetapi diakui sebagai denom termasuk dari Wiki

Perhatikan, apakah dalam 358 yang Anda list, adakah perwakilan dari Amrik?

Sesimple itu…

Salam

Sudah saya jelaskan diatas, denom merupakan unit yang lebih luas daripada Church menurut daftar itu.

Di sumber yang Anda cantumkan, tertulis “including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests”
Jumlah local congregations ada 520,000, sementara pastor dan pendetanya 493,000. Artinya, ada satu pastor/pendeta yang melayani lebih dari satu local congregation.
Belum lagi, bisa saja ada dua (atau lebih) local congregation yang termasuk dalam satu denominasi.
Karena itulah di http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_of_Churches berbunyi seperti ini:

The organization members include denominations, which claim to collectively represent some 590 million people, across the world in ca. 150 countries, including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests, in addition to elders, teachers, members of parish councils and others.

Denominasi, yang…, termasuk 520,000 local congregation yang dilayani 493,000 pastor dan pendeta dst.
Local congregation merupakan unit yang lebih kecil daripada denominasi.

Berarti 358 itu belum termasuk yang di Amerika.
Ngomong-ngomong, apa yang mau Anda tanyakan di topik ini? Sumber tentang anggota WCC saya kira sudah jelas.

Salam

Maaf, apakah itu asumsi Anda?

Berarti 358 itu belum termasuk yang di Amerika.
Ya, dan bukan cuman Amerika sepertinya
Ngomong-ngomong, apa yang mau Anda tanyakan di topik ini? Sumber tentang anggota WCC saya kira sudah jelas.

Salam


Dengan adanya WCC, yang diakui hampir seluruh protestan, maka protestan ribuan denom dan Katolik Roma cuman satu bisa diterima secara umum.

Salam

Ya kalau ini disebut denominasi

302.Reformed Christian Church in Serbia & Montenegro
303.Reformed Christian Church in Slovakia
304.Reformed Church in America
305.Reformed Church in Hungary
306.Reformed Church in Romania
307.Reformed Church in Zambia
308.Reformed Church in Zimbabwe
309.Reformed Church of Christ in Nigeria

Maka ini juga denominasi

Gereja Katolik Armenia
Gereja Katolik Belarus
Gereja Katolik Bulgaria
Gereja Katolik Bizantium
Gereja Katolik Khaldea
Gereja Katolik Koptik
Gereja Katolik Yunani Kroasia
Gereja Katolik Ethiopia
Gereja Katolik Georgia
Gereja Katolik Yunani
Gereja Katolik Yunani Hongaria
Gereja Katolik Italia-Albania
Gereja Katolik Maronit
Gereja Katolik Melkit
Gereja Katolik Rumania
Gereja Katolik Rusia
Gereja Katolik Ruthenia
Gereja Katolik Yunani Slowakia
Gereja Katolik Suriah
Gereja Katolik Siro-Malabar
Gereja Katolik Siro-Malankara
Gereja Katolik Yunani Ukrainia

Definisimu itu sangat jelas, berdasarkan definisimu itu, saya berani bilang katolik ada ratusan ribu denominasi

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Kalau Gereja Katolik silahkan, kalau Gereja Katolik Roma hanya satu selama ribuan tahun.

Kalau di Indonesia ada seribu pendeta protestan mendirikan gereja protestan dengan mencantumkan nama Katolik sebagai identitas nama gerejanya, siapa yang berhak melarang?

FYI, banyak gereja protestan di Amrik dan Eropa mencantum nama Katolik dalam nama gereja mereka, mungkin untuk mengambil kue Gereja Katolik Roma.

Btw, Gereja Katolik didalam list tersebut adalah Gereja Katolik Orthodox, dan memang sudah diakui dalam topik sebelumnya yang telah dilock, bahwa Katolik terbagi dua, Katolik Roma dan Katolik Orthodox.

Katolik Orthodox terbagi lagi, sebagian yang ada dilist tersebut.

Katolik Roma tidak terbagi, namun protestan memisahkan diri dari Katolik Roma mendirikan denom baru yang terbagi sampai sekian banyak.

Salam

coba coba coba

yang kamu maksud katolik roma itu di indonesia dimana aja?

di jakarta saja yang saya tau :
gereja katolik sp bunda karmel
gereja katolik maria bunda karmel
gereja katolik st. thomas rasul
gereja katolik hati kudus
gereja katolik trinitas
gereja katolik st.perawan maria diangkat ke surga

dan masih banyak lagi, saya jamin ada ratusan bahkan ribuan di indonesia saja.

apa itu katolik roma? atau katolik saja? atau protestan yang nyatut nama katolik?