KATOLIK MENGAJARKAN JIHAD?

Seingat saya, dalam Kekristenan tidak pernah diajarkan untuk berjihad. Alkitab sendiri dengan tegas menyatakan bahwa musuh kita bukan darah dan daging (sesama manusia).

Di bawah ini termaksud JIHAD nggak ya?

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Kalau melihat sumpah JESUIT yang di masukan dalam journal US congress dibawah ini, maka saya jadi ingat ceramah Prof Walter J Veith dalam youtube bahwa ajaran Katolik untuk elite lain dengan untuk kalangan bawah.

Bukankah sumpah ini memperlihatkan ajaran katolik untuk kalangan atas itu kayak apa?
Sumpah ini mestinya membuahkan banyak kekejaman karena memang disumpah demikian.

Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of JESUS and his Vice-Regent on earth, let him be ACCURSED and EXTERMINATED."
Professor Arthur Noble

[The following is the text of the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction as recorded in the Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session, of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216), from which it was subsequently torn out. The Oath is also quoted by Charles Didier in his book Subterranean Rome (New York, 1843), translated from the French original. Dr. Alberto Rivera, who escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, confirms that the induction ceremony and the text of the Jesuit Oath which he took were identical to what we have cited below. – A. N.]

When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colours, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers.

Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:

(The Superior speaks:)

My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and to incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace; to take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means. You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope’s sake, whose servants we are unto death. You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labours with the blood of the heretic; for “without the shedding of blood no man can be saved”. Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me:

(Text of the Oath:)

I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of JESUS, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of JESUS CHRIST, declare and swear that His Holiness, the Pope, is CHRIST’s Vice-Regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His Holiness by my Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, he hath power to depose heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments, and they may be safely destroyed.

bersambung…

Therefore to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness’s right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness’s agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding, I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propagation of the Mother Church’s interest; to keep secret and private all her agents’ counsels from time to time, as they entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of JESUS CHRIST. That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things, whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants’ heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of JESUS. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist and witness the same further with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this holy sacrament.

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

(Superior speaks:)

You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of JESUS belonging to this rank. In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one crosses his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the centre of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the centre of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges; the other answers Impious. The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:

From whither do you come? Answer: The Holy faith.

Whom do you serve? Answer: The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Who commands you? Answer: The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of JESUS or the Soldiers of JESUS CHRIST (JESUIT).

Who received you? Answer: A venerable man in white hair.

How? Answer: With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Did you take an oath? Answer: I did, to DESTROY heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, nor sex, nor condition; to be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation or murmuring.

Will you do that? Answer: I will.

How do you travel? Answer: In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Whither do you travel? Answer: To the four quarters of the globe.

For what purpose? Answer: To obey the orders of my General and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfil the conditions of my oaths.

Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of JESUS and his Vice-Regent on earth, let him be ACCURSED and EXTERMINATED.

[Note: The following books on (or particularly relevant to) the Jesuits are held by the EIPS Library:

[i]"I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers.

I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness’s agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding, I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propagation of the Mother Church’s interest; to keep secret and private all her agents’ counsels from time to time, as they entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order".[/i]

Sangat menarik

Mas Bruce, jadi karena Paus/ GRK memiliki COPYRIGHT Alkitab, maka umat tidak boleh membaca Alkitab?

Karena Paus/ GRK memiliki COPYRIGHT Alkitab ini, maka tidak boleh menyebarkan/ menterjemahkan Alkitab agar bisa dibaca oleh semua bangsa?

Dan karenanya Paus/ Vatikan menghukum mati orang yang berani menterjemahkan Alkitab?

Alasannya PIRACY IS CRIME!!!?

Menurut sejarah, Alkitab memang bukan ditulis oleh Paus.

Copyright sekarang ini juga belum pernah menghukum mati orang karena menterjemahkan tulisan.

Mungkin karena ajaran Paus/ Vatikan banyak yang BERTENTANGAN dengan Firman Tuhan yang tertulis di Alkitab.

Sudah sewajarnya kalau Vatikan sangat keberatan jika Injil KRISTUS sampai diketahui oleh umat.

Mengenai Vatikan pernah menghukum cambuk / mati ( ? ) mereka yang tidak menyembah Hosti ( perjamuan kudus ) yang dikelilingkan kota ROMA ! ini juga bener terjadi apa nggak, kita tunggu saja kejujuran dari para pengajar Katolik yang tahu persis sejarah gerejanya di FK.

Nggak oot kok mas, kan masih ada hubungannya dengan kekejaman Vatikan.

Kalau Vatikan/ ROMA adalah BABEL BESAR menurut keterangan mas Bruce, tentu harus dilihat juga dari ciri-ciri Babel Besar yang tertulis di kitab Wahyu bukan?

Kalau gak salah, pembinasa keji yang duduk di takhta itu salah satu ciri babel besar kan?

Karena mas Bruce ngaku sendiri kalau sangat tau sejarah gereja ROMA, kenapa musti menutup-nutupi apa yang sudah pernah terjadi mas Bruce?

Jadi gak OOT kok mas, dijawab saja sesuai topiknya.

Mas Bruce, jadi karena Paus/ GRK memiliki COPYRIGHT Alkitab, maka umat tidak boleh membaca Alkitab?

Karena Paus/ GRK memiliki COPYRIGHT Alkitab ini, maka tidak boleh menyebarkan/ menterjemahkan Alkitab agar bisa dibaca oleh semua bangsa?

Dan karenanya Paus/ Vatikan menghukum mati orang yang berani menterjemahkan Alkitab?

Alasannya PIRACY IS CRIME!!!?

Menurut sejarah, Alkitab memang bukan ditulis oleh Paus.

Copyright sekarang ini juga belum pernah menghukum mati orang karena menterjemahkan tulisan.

Mungkin karena ajaran Paus/ Vatikan banyak yang BERTENTANGAN dengan Firman Tuhan yang tertulis di Alkitab.

Sudah sewajarnya kalau Vatikan sangat keberatan jika Injil KRISTUS sampai diketahui oleh umat.

Mengenai Vatikan pernah menghukum cambuk / mati (?) mereka yang tidak menyembah Hosti (perjamuan kudus) yang dikelilingkan kota ROMA ! ini juga bener terjadi apa nggak, kita tunggu saja kejujuran dari para pengajar Katolik yang tahu persis sejarah gerejanya di FK.

Bagian dari sumpah ini saya terjemahkan dibawah

Bukankah ini terlihat seperti pemerintahan Tunggal atau New World Order yang dinubuatkan dalam kitab wahyu, 13 bahwa bakal ada penguasa yang diikuti seluruh dunia/pemerintahan Tunggal yang akan berkuasa 31/2 tahun terakhir sebelum kedatangan Tuhan YESUS?

Rasanya sih mirip sekali, menghancurkan semua pemerintahan untuk membangun satu pemerintahan Tunggal.

Kalau ada orang kaya ingin membangun gedung raksasa, padahal pada lahan itu banyak gedung2 kecil

Satu2nya jalan adalah menghancurkan semua gedung2 kecil supaya bisa dibangun gedung raksasa dibekas tanah gedung2 kecil itu.

When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colours, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers.

Ketika seorang Jesuit dari peringkat minor diangkat jadi tingkat komando, pentabisan dilakukan chapel of the covenant of order, di mana hanya ada tiga orang lain yang hadir, Superior di depan altar. Di kedua sisi berdiri seorang biarawan, salah satunya memegang bendera kuning dan putih, yang merupakan warna Kepausan, dan spanduk lainnya hitam dengan belati dan salib merah di atas tengkorak dan tulang bersilang, dengan kata INRI, dan di bawah kata ini, IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIUS. Yang maknanya adalah: Hal ini untuk membasmi atau memusnahkan Raja2 bidah, Pemerintah2, atau para Penguasa.

Salam Damai,
Katolik tidakpernah mengklaim Copyright atas alkitab ! Katolik juga tidak pernah menghukum orang yang tidak menyembah HOSTI ! jangan pada FITNAH … Pemfitnah tidakdapat tempat di kerajaan sorga ! ingat itu Bro…
Ekaristi bersifat Kudus adalah benar ! tapi tidak menghukum orang seperti yang Bro Tuduhkan…
Katolik penuh Kasih sesuai ajaran KRISTUS YESUS.
Semoga Kalian bertobat jangan memfitnah .
Salam.

coba carikan satu saja yang seperti muder Theresa dari calcuta dari sekian ribu denom protestan…

Saya yakin muder Theresa tidak ikut-ikutan melakukan kekejaman dsb. Jadi tolong bahas sesuai topiknya.

Yakinlah gak semua setuju dgn kebijakan kekejaman. Mungkin karena itu harus orang2 pilihan yang dipilih berdasar kesetiaannya pada Paus.

Bagaimana menurut Leonardo mengenai sumpah elite Jesuit yang pasti bukan untuk kalangan awam Katolik?

Terima kasih untuk keterangannya mas Granits.

Kalau jaman ini bentuknya mungkin sudah berubah, nggak seperti dulu lagi mengingat hukum Internasional tidak mengijinkan hal itu dilakukan terbuka dan terang-terangan seperti dulu.

Apakah Elite Jesuit yang adalah “pasukan” pribadi Paus di thread ini adalah merupakan bentuk Inkwisisi jaman ini mas Granits?

Untuk melawan Heresy (yang tidak TAKLUK pada Paus) dan membentuk pemerintahan Tunggal atau New World Order

Terimakasih atas pencerahannya… mata saya jadi terbuka.

Sungguh Anda luar… biasa :char11:

Oh ternyata nggak ada toh hehe…jadi adanya yang sekaliber siapa…

sumpah jesuit ini buku Davince code seri berapa hehe…

Jauh banget dari kenyataan bahwa di dalam Yesuit ada misionaris2 top sekaliber Ignatius Loyola, dan Fransiskus Xaverius yang melanglang buana hingga ke Indonesia, Jepang dll…

Sayang sekali kaum ABK hanya tertarik pada kisah2 fiksi dan bukan kisah2 historis…

Yesuit ini terkenal dengan kaum cendikiawannya…di Indo ada sekolah Kanisius, Gonzaga, Loyola dan lain2 ada prof Magniz suseno yang bereputasi dunia …bandingkan dengan pendeta kamu dan karya apa sih yang sudah denom kamu hasilkan…

coba kamu pamerkan disini…apa yang sudah kamu sumbangkan bagi dunia, bagi bangsa , bagi masyarakat atau bagi persatuan Gereja sedunia…

Apa yang dapat dilihat orang ketika menyebutkan denom kamu, atau gereja kamu???

Black campaign : Sirik tanda tak mampu ;D ;D

kalau memang benar, memang seperti itu bro… memangnya ajaran KRISTUS “… cintailah musuh-musuhmu…” menurut anda sperti apa???

ini mungkin beda tafsir dengan ayat diatas,orang prostestan menghujat “perang salib”,padahal mencintai musuh jaman perang salib, sama saja bunuh diri he he :slight_smile: … ini karna udah kebiasaan sola-scriptura, jadi ada yang ngga dipake. :slight_smile:

bro Iceng dan Leonardo.

Saya kutib dibawah ini supaya anda tahu sumbernya. Jelas mengatakan sumber dari davinci code adalah fitnahan karena saya tidak ambil dari buku itu.

Jelas sumber nya dari Journalnya DPR Amerika dibawah ini saya kutib sumbernya dan terjemahanya.

The following is the text of the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction as recorded in the Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session, of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216), from which it was subsequently torn out. The Oath is also quoted by Charles Didier in his book Subterranean Rome (New York, 1843), translated from the French original. Dr. Alberto Rivera, who escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, confirms that the induction ceremony and the text of the Jesuit Oath which he took were identical to what we have cited below. – A. N.]

Berikut ini adalah teks Sumpah Yesuit Extreme Induksi seperti yang tercatat dalam Jurnal Kongres ke-62, Sesi 3, dari record Amerika Serikat Kongres (House Kalender No 397, Laporan No 1523, 15 Februari, 1913 hlm 3215-3216), yang kemudian disobek. Sumpah ini juga dikutip oleh Charles Didier dalam bukunya Roma bawah tanah (New York, 1843), diterjemahkan dari aslinya Perancis. Dr Alberto Rivera, yang melarikan diri dari Orde Jesuit di 1967, menegaskan bahwa upacara induksi dan teks Sumpah Yesuit yang dia ambil adalah identik dengan apa yang kita telah dikutip di bawah ini. - A. N.]

Mas Leonardo, masak sumpah Jesuit diambil dari kisah2 fiksi sih. Jangan menghina Jesuit yang sudah mengabdikan hidupnya untuk Paus seperti itulah mas Leo.

Jesuit sendiri punya kaul ke-4 dibanding kaul untuk awam yang hanya ada 3. Kaul ke-4 Jesuit itu adalah janji setia pada Paus dan mentaati apapun perintah Paus tanpa mempertanyakan kebenarannya.

Gak semua manusia pada umumnya bisa menyamai level Jesuit. Jadi sebelum menghina Sumpah Jesuit, mas Leo pikir2 dulu deh, bisa nggak mencapai level seperti Jesuit.

isinya yang sampah dul hehe…

silahkan pikir2 dulu sebelum posting…

sekarang mana tokoh kamu, gembala kamu, gereja kamu keluarin semua yang kamu tau kita bandingkan disini dengan tokoh2 GK…

apa yang diingat dunia ketika orang memanggil gereja kamu, denom kamu atau tokoh2 pendeta kamu

sirik tanda tak mampu ;D ;D

Sumpah Jesuit isinya SAMPAH?

Yang non katolik dan bukan Paus kayaknya gak ada yang sampai merasa perlu membentuk pasukan elite untuk mempertahankan kekuasaan. Mungkin bro Leo punya sumber mengenai tokoh2 pendeta yang seperti Paus?

kalau isi sumpahnya, “Yang maknanya adalah: Hal ini untuk membangun umat/jemaat bersama-sama dengan Raja2 bidah, Pemerintah2, atau para Penguasa.”

pastinya kaum protestant protest juga he he … :slight_smile: