MARTIN LUTHER; Imam-imam seharusnya diizinkan memiliki istri

Bukankah sepantasnya seorang laki2 itu diberikan pelengkap dalam hidupnya, yaitu mendapatkan istri?. Bukankah tidak baik bagi Allah Israel melihat Adam sendiri saja?, sehingga Ia menciptakan bagi Adam penolong yang lain, yaitu Hawa.

Kej 2; 18 TUHAN Allah berfirman: “Tidak baik, kalau manusia itu seorang diri saja. Aku akan menjadikan penolong baginya, yang sepadan dengan dia.”

Mengapa Tuhan saja memberikan penolong bagi diri seorang laki2, yaitu Hawa, sementara Paus dengan kebijaksanaanya membuatkan peraturan, Imam tidak boleh menikah (selibat)?

Maksud Tuhan pun hendak, memberikan : PENOLONG YANG LAIN DENGAN CATATAN YANG SEPADAN DENGAN DIA?
mengapa Yah kebijaksanaan paus malah berbeda?

Dalam buku Martin luther juga mengatakan bahwa Imam imam seharusnya memiliki istri. Saya memang belum membaca keseluruhan bukanya, dan menemukan pernyataan2nya.

Namun menurut anda sekalian: “adil tidak jika imam itu tidak di ijinkan memiliki Istri?”. sementara Tuhan saja memberikan istri bagi Adam, dengan tujuan: "sebagai penolong bagi laki laki, dan yang sepadan.

sebgai penolong lho, bukan sebgai obyek seks atau lainnya, melainkan sebgai penolong bagi hidup laki-laki tersebut.

Jadi kira, adakah pernyataan yang mematahkan claim martin luther ini bahwa memang Luther salah, sehinga: Imam-imam seharusnya memang tidak diizinkan memiliki istri?

Paus Fransiskus: Bukan Dogma, Aturan Hidup Selibat Bisa Diubah

ROMA, KOMPAS.com – Meski berkeyakinan bahwa para imam Katolik Roma tetap harus menaati aturan hidup selibat, Paus Fransiskus menyatakan aturan selibat bukan dogma yang tak bisa diubah dan karenanya pintu perubahan selalu terbuka.

Komentar serupa pernah Fransiskus lontarkan saat dia masih menjadi Uskup Agung di Buenos Aires, Argentina. Kali ini, pernyataan itu dia buat di atas pesawat sepulang dari perjalanan pertamanya ke Timur Tengah setelah menjadi Paus.

“Selibat bukanlah dogma,” kata Paus Fransiskus, Senin (26/5/2014), saat menjawab pertanyaan tentang adakah kemungkinan gereja Katolik mengizinkan para imam menikah sebagaimana yang terjadi di gereja Kristen yang lainnya.

“(Aturan selibat) ini adalah aturan hidup yang saya sangat hargai dan saya pikir itu adalah hadiah bagi gereja. Namun, karena (aturan selibat) ini bukan dogma, pintu (untuk mengizinkan pernikahan imam) selalu terbuka,” kata dia.

Dalam ajaran Katolik, gereja mengajarkan bahwa seorang imam harus mendedikasikan diri secara total untuk panggilannya, mengambil gereja sebagai “istri”, untuk memenuhi misi mereka. Namun, karena selibat adalah tradisi yang baru dimulai sekitar 1.000 tahun silam, bukan bagian dari dogma, maka aturan ini bukan tak mungkin berubah.

Saat ini tekanan untuk mengubah aturan selibat menguat, terutama menyusul terungkapnya skandal pelecehan seksual oleh para imam di berbagai belahan dunia. Para pendukung selibat adalah pilihan dan bukan keharusan, berpendapat bahwa frustrasi seksual merupakan salah satu pemicu kasus-kasus pelecehan seksual oleh para imam tersebut.

Namun, sampai sekarang gereja Katolik masih menolak argumentasi untuk kasus paedofilia itu. Menurut gereja, kasus kejahatan seksual yang dilakukan di dalam maupun di luar gereja ini merupakan perbuatan orang-orang dengan gangguan psikologis.

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Yesus bersabda, “ada orang yang tidak kawain demi Kerajaaan Sorga”.

Paulus berkata, “lebih baik seseorang tidak kawin agar dapat mengurus urusan rohani”.

Kenapa Tuhan dan Nabi diprotes?

Karena yang protes namanya protestan.

Salam

Popes who were, or may have been, sexually active after receiving Holy Orders

Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had three illegitimate daughters, one of whom was Felice della Rovere (born in 1483, twenty years before his election).[19] The schismatic Conciliabulum of Pisa, which sought to depose him in 1511, accused him of being a "sodomite covered with shameful ulcers." [20]
Pope Paul III (1534–1549) who, according to some sources, held off ordination in order to continue his promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons and one daughter) by his mistress Silvia Ruffini. He broke his relations with her ca. 1513. There is no evidence of sexual activity during his papacy. He made his illegitimate son Pier Luigi Farnese the first Duke of Parma.[21][22]

Popes sexually active, or accused of being sexually active, during pontificate

Pope Sergius III (904–911) was accused by his opponents of being the illegitimate father of Pope John XI by Marozia.[23] These accusations are found in Liutprand of Cremona's Antapodosis,[24] as well as the Liber Pontificalis.[25][26][27] The accusations are disputed by another early source, the annalist Flodoard (c. 894–966): John XI was brother of Alberic II, the latter being the offspring of Marozia and her husband Alberic I, so John too may have been the son of Marozia and Alberic I. Bertrand Fauvarque emphasizes that the contemporary sources backing up this parenthood are dubious, Liutprand being "prone to exaggeration" while other mentions of this fatherhood appear in satires written by supporters of late Pope Formosus.[28]

Pope John X (914–928) had romantic affairs with both Theodora and her daughter Marozia, according to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis.[29][30](See also Saeculum obscurum)

Pope John XII (955–963) was accused by his adversaries of adultery and incest.[31][32] The monk Benedict of Soracte noted in his volume XXXVII that he "liked to have a collection of women". According to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis,[24] "they testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse." According to E. R. Chamberlin, John XII was "a Christian Caligula whose crimes were rendered particularly horrific by the office he held".[33] Some sources report that he was rumoured to have died 8 days after being stricken by paralysis while in the act of adultery,[31] others that he was killed by the jealous husband while in the act of committing adultery.[34][35][36][37] (See also Saeculum obscurum)

Pope Benedict IX (1032– became pope in 1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048).[38] He was accused by Bishop Benno of Piacenza of "many vile adulteries."[39][40] Pope Victor III referred in his third book of Dialogues to "his rapes... and other unspeakable acts."[41] His life prompted Saint Peter Damian to write an extended treatise against illicit sex in general, and homosexuality in particular. In his Liber Gomorrhianus, Damian accused Benedict IX of routine sodomy and bestiality and sponsoring orgies.[42] In May 1045, Benedict IX resigned his office to pursue marriage.[43]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a long affair with Vannozza dei Cattanei before his papacy, and by her had his illegitimate children Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. Alexander fathered at least seven, and possibly as many as ten illegitimate children.[44]

Popes accused of having male lovers during pontificate

Pope Paul II (1464–1471) is popularly thought to have died due to indigestion arising from eating melon in excess,[45][46] though a rumour was spread by his detractors that he died while engaging in sodomy.[47]
Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484) was alleged to have awarded gifts and benefices to court favourites in return for sexual favours. Giovanni Sclafenato was created a cardinal by Sixtus for "ingenuousness, loyalty,...and his other gifts of soul and body", according to the papal epitaph on his tomb.[48][49]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521) was allegedly a practising homosexual, according to some modern and contemporary sources (Francesco Guicciardini and Paolo Giovio). He was alleged to have had a particular (albeit one-sided) infatuation for Marcantonio Flaminio.[50]

Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was alleged to have had a long affair with Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte. The Venetian ambassador at that time reported that Innocenzo shared the pope's bed.[51]

Bukan Roma Katolik namanya kalau bukan hipokrit !

bukan manusia namanya kalau tidak berdosa.
Paus boleh saja berdosa, namun Gereja itu kudus.

namun satu hal yang menjukan kebesarannya adalah, bahwa Gereja mengakui Pausnya bisa berdosa.

kalau pendeta mungkin tidak bisa berdosa… :smiley:

Makanya jangan mengaku infalible lah kalau masih bisa hipokrit !

Tidak ada manusia yang kebal dosa !

Shalom

ada orang yang tidak kawin demi kerajaan surga.

gereja katolik menerapkan disiplin (bukan dogma) bahwa imam haruslah selibat.

dan menjadi imam itu bukanlah disiplin melainkan panggilan, jadi umat boleh memilih hidup total untuk tuhan sebagai imam katolik, atau menjadi awam saja.

kalau mau menjadi “imam” yang beristri… nampaknya pindah jalur ke kristen yang protestan yang mengakomodasi imam menikah bisa menjadi pilihan.

simpel saja lah…

imam katolik itu pilihan hidup mereka kok… dan terbukti kualitasnya ya maap saja, tidak sama dengan “imam2” yang bukan katolik…

Paus infallible dalam DOGMA. bukan dalam kelakuannya… terbukti tidak pernah satupun DOGMA paus direvisi.

Infallibilitas Paus Bukan Berarti Paus Manusia Tak Berdosa.

paus infallible bukan impeachable. mulai sekarang catat itu, supaya tidak keliru terus.

Penyakit anti Katolik yang sudah kronis susah mencatatnya ;D

Salam

Didalam dogma sajapun Paus tidak infalible seperti contoh yang saya berikan di topik sebelah !

Jadi klaim anda hanya pepesan kosong belaka !

Shalom

DOGMA Paus tidak dapat salah… terbukti sepanjang sejarah tidak pernah ada revisi, tetap selamanya!
jika anda bingung dengan berbagai informasi dipasaran itu… mulailah dari pengertian, “apa itu DOGMA”.

Hihihihi… Coba jawab pertanyaan bro Satria, apa itu dogma? ;D :2funny:

Salam

Buktinya ada perbedaan dogma mengenai Kristologi oleh Paus sehingga dianatema dengan kejam !

Honorius was anathematized by name along with the Monothelites

Apakah anda tidak mencoreng arang dimuka sendiri ?

Apakah Mariology bukan dogma ?

Shalom

;D :2funny:
Salam

A belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization

Shalom

The word dogma (Gr. dogma from dokein) signifies, in the writings of the ancient classical authors, sometimes, an opinion or that which seems true to a person; sometimes, the philosophical doctrines or tenets, and especially the distinctive philosophical doctrines, of a particular school of philosophers (cf. Cic. Ac., ii, 9), and sometimes, a public decree or ordinance, as dogma poieisthai.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05089a.htm

Silahkan berikan dogma dari Paus yang dianathemakan!

Salam

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Kutip ajaran gereja sendiri kok tidak lengkap :

CCC 891 “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals… The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor,they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council.[418] When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,”[419] and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with theobedience of faith.”[420] This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.[421]

BACA YANG SAYA BOLD MERAH BAHWA INFALIBILITAS ADALAH MENYANGKUT DOKTRIN YAITU PENGAJARAN DAN MORAL.

Apakah anda tidak mengutip soal moral karena bukti bukti imoral dari para Paus yang saya kutip diatas ???

Apakah masalah “moral” tidak menyangkut kelakuan juga ???

Shalom

Makanya saya berikan list dogma, Paus Honorius tidak pernah mengeluarkan dogma.

Kutip ajaran gereja sendiri kok tidak lengkap :

CCC 891 “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals… The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor,they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council.[418] When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,”[419] and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with theobedience of faith.”[420] This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.[421]

BACA YANG SAYA BOLD MERAH BAHWA INFALIBILITAS ADALAH MENYANGKUT DOKTRIN YAITU PENGAJARAN DAN MORAL.

Apakah anda tidak mengutip soal moral karena bukti bukti imoral dari para Paus yang saya kutip diatas ???

Apakah masalah “moral” tidak menyangkut kelakuan juga ???


Kelakuan boleh salah, ajaran tidak.

Ini sejalan dengan Sabda Yesus sendiri:

Mat 23
1 Maka berkatalah Yesus kepada orang banyak dan kepada murid-murid-Nya, kata-Nya:
2 "Ahli-ahli Taurat dan orang-orang Farisi telah menduduki kursi Musa.
3 Sebab itu turutilah dan lakukanlah segala sesuatu yang mereka ajarkan kepadamu, tetapi janganlah kamu turuti perbuatan-perbuatan mereka, karena mereka mengajarkannya tetapi tidak melakukannya.

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