TULIP bertantangan dengan ALKITAB?

5 poin calvinisme : TULIP

Total Depravity:
Sin has affected all parts of man. The heart, emotions, will, mind, and body are all affected by sin. We are completely sinful. We are not as sinful as we could be, but we are completely affected by sin.

The doctrine of Total Depravity is derived from scriptures that reveal human character: Man’s heart is evil (Mark 7:21-23) and sick Jer. 17:9). Man is a slave of sin (Rom. 6:20). He does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12). He cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14). He is at enmity with God (Eph. 2:15). And, is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3). The Calvinist asks the question, “In light of the scriptures that declare man’s true nature as being utterly lost and incapable, how is it possible for anyone to choose or desire God?” The answer is, “He cannot. Therefore God must predestine.”

Calvinism also maintains that because of our fallen nature we are born again not by our own will but God’s will (John 1:12-13); God grants that we believe (Phil. 1:29); faith is the work of God (John 6:28-29); God appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48); and God predestines (Eph. 1:1-11; Rom. 8:29; 9:9-23).

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will (Eph. 1:4-8; Rom. 9:11) without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not (Rom. 9:15, 21).

Limited Atonement:
JESUS died only for the elect. Though JESUS’ sacrifice was sufficient for all, it was not efficacious for all. JESUS only bore the sins of the elect. Support for this position is drawn from such scriptures as Matt. 26:28 where JESUS died for ‘many’; John 10:11, 15 which say that JESUS died for the sheep (not the goats, per Matt. 25:32-33); John 17:9 where JESUS in prayer interceded for the ones given Him, not those of the entire world; Acts 20:28 and Eph. 5:25-27 which state that the Church was purchased by CHRIST, not all people; and Isaiah 53:12 which is a prophecy of JESUS’ crucifixion where he would bore the sins of many (not all).

Irresistible Grace:
When God calls his elect into salvation, they cannot resist. God offers to all people the gospel message. This is called the external call. But to the elect, God extends an internal call and it cannot be resisted. This call is by the Holy Spirit who works in the hearts and minds of the elect to bring them to repentance and regeneration whereby they willingly and freely come to God. Some of the verses used in support of this teaching are Romans 9:16 where it says that “it is not of him who wills nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy”; Philippians 2:12-13 where God is said to be the one working salvation in the individual; John 6:28-29 where faith is declared to be the work of God; Acts 13:48 where God appoints people to believe; and John 1:12-13 where being born again is not by man’s will, but by God’s.

Perseverance of the Saints:
You cannot lose your salvation. Because the Father has elected, the Son has redeemed, and the Holy Spirit has applied salvation, those thus saved are eternally secure. They are eternally secure in CHRIST. Some of the verses for this position are John 10:27-28 where JESUS said His sheep will never perish; John 6:47 where salvation is described as everlasting life; Romans 8:1 where it is said we have passed out of judgment; 1 Corinthians 10:13 where God promises to never let us be tempted beyond what we can handle; and Phil. 1:6 where God is the one being faithful to perfect us until the day of JESUS’ return.

peraturan :

  • sopan tidak boleh ada caci maki
  • tidak boleh menyanggah dg ayat saja, harus ayat + argumentasi / penjelasan
  • tidak boleh OOT[/b][/color]
    kita murid KRISTUS, bukan orang bar-bar yg tidak punya etika :wink:

hasil diskusi :
a. 2 Petrus 2:1

apakah para penganut TULIP sudah mengetahui bahwa… Allah sdg mencari manusia utk diselamatkan, melalui berita injil Yesus Kristus… :coolsmiley:

Tambahan :
[b]- NGAK BOLEH MUKA TEMBOK/ TAHAN MALU

  • NGAK BOLEH MUTER2
  • NGAK BOLEH PLITAT PLITUT
  • NGAK BOLEH BER-STANDARD GANDA[/b]

Oke TS, dilanjutkan…!

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Berikan penjelasan TULIP menurut kamu [ie. ajaran calvin]…!
Silakan…

anda sudah membuat thread baru, tetapi tetap tidak menjawab bukan ?

Trick anda sudah saya ketahui, anda hanya ingin menggiring ketempat lain

berarti telah 3 orang yang tidak menjawab

petra9, kimz, rita ratina

sebagai tambahan

TIDAK BOLEH MENG-ABUSE ALKITAB
TIDAK BOLEH MENG-ABUSE AJARANG ORANG LAIN
JUJUR

ikut nambahin ah… :ashamed0004:

tidak boleh kabur tanpa menjawab pertanyaan org…
tidak boleh membuat pembaca bingung…
tidak boleh memelintir ayat FT…
tidak boleh bengong terlalu lama…
tidak boleh main hakim sendiri…

don, thread ini dibuat, hanya untuk tidak menjawab pertanyaan saja.

TS nya kabur ya… :char11:

kapan mulainya neeeh…?
:char12:

mungkin awal tahun 2012 kali fren… :ashamed0004:
TS nya mau liburan akhir tahun kali… :char11:

Suatu tantangan yang berat untuk kado Natal bagi iman percaya yang sudah menjadi Kristen Protestan seperti saya.
Tapi apapun itu, itu adalah bagian dari TEOLOGI REFORMASI.
Dan saya, minimal punya sedikit informasi untuk itu.
Tapi besok akan saya jawab dan jabarakan sesuai dng apa yang saya miliki.
Itulah realita nya kita memiliki suatu pengajaran bukan…?? Seng penteng I ALWAYS LOVE MY YESUS…!!!

sampai detik ini, KIMZ tidak juga menjawab pertanyan saya

lalu buat apa thread ini dibuat ?

salam bro bejo2, hutang saya sudah lunas di thread sebelah ya :D, skarang giliran anda … :onion-head53:

“Freewill” :coolsmiley:

seng penteng ikut yesus semua beres, amen???

Kimzzz kimzzzzz

buat thread baru, lalu orangnya kabuuurrrr…

AMEN…juga broo…!!! HAHAHAHAHA…

Tapi memang ada lah pastinya juga tenggung jawab kita bukan…?? Untuk menyikapi apa artinya itu beres yang kita maklumi bersama. Jika berani berucap dan berperasaan " I ALWAYS LOVE MY YESUS "

Salam…

Hi hi hi, udah dua halaman tulip nya belum muncul juga, he he he he, gimana kalau ganti sama bunga bakung aja ?

Salam Damai.

Duduk manis dipinggir, sambil menunggu penjelasan TULIP :happy0062: :happy0062: :happy0062:

GBU
:slight_smile:

helooo… :smiley6600: enibadihom… :coolsmiley: punten… :char11: kulonuwun… :ashamed0006: permisiii… :’(

kalo TS nya ga dateng juga, mesti di masukkin berita org hilang nih… :ashamed0004: